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Hi Owen,


History.

Twelve years ago I had a double bypass operation to deal with major blockages of the cardiac arteries.

I began taking statins about six months earlier after the first consultation with the cardiologist.

Within a month of the operation I became quite weak and a blood test showed that almost every blood component was far below normal; for example I had hardly any testosterone and no iron stores.

Iron supplements fixed the iron within a few weeks.

Over the past eight years I have complained of a lack of energy, and
eventually breathing difficulties when walking and bending to pick things up off the floor. I could still manage to walk 9km about four times a week on flat ground.

In late January - February this year I had what were eventually categorised as mild heart attacks. An angiogram showed the heart was the same as before the bypass, and the third artery which didn't figure in the bypass (it is behind the heart) is blocked as are the extremities of the other arteries. The opinion was that there was no surgical action as a practical option.

I had a cholesterol value of 3 at the time of the angiogram (late May) and it had risen to 6 by the end of July. I am due for another reading in December and I suspect it will have gone down again due to the HT.

Given that I had taken statins for almost 13 years I figured I had nothing to lose by stopping. I considered a number of options such as HT and here I am.

Since the bypass I have described my condition as mostly dead, and I have revised that since stopping the statins.

Incidentally, I have been logging my waking temperature as per the Barnes Basal temperature test and it sits at 36C, which indicates a suboptimal thyroid. I would not be surprised if that clears up too with the HT. If not, some time down the track I'll get some porcine thyroid preparation for that, depending on how you think it will work with the HT.

What is strange is that the prevailing medical opinion was that there must be an underlying cause, and none sought that cause.

My late daughter had a congenital heart defect - Eisenmenger's Complex- a hole in the heart and pulmonary hypertension. I have a similar but smaller hole in my heart and a leaky valve which she apparently inherited from me. The Cardiologist does not think these are the source of my condition. Whatever, I think I am on track now.

I do have some gas/diarrhea, but am reducing the A9 accordingly to one scoop at a time until that passes.

Anyway Owen, that's the story

A. O. Australia


Maybe long, but important. You describe a classic vitamin coenzyme Q10 deficiency. In your case a vitamin - as the statins would have interfered with your body's ability to make this substance, which is absolutely required for energy. In my opinion, the statins were slowly klling you, and I am happy you finally have stopped them. (Wow, 13 years?!?)

I have no doubt your health will improve, and perhaps even your blockages
will reverse on the Pauling protocol as contained in the Tower products.

I forget, tell me how much CoQ10 do you now supplement?

There probably isn't sufficient CoQ10 in A-9 to overcome 13 years of statins. Until you get your energy back, I would recommend adding 400 to 600 mg of coQ10. Take throughout the day with meals, that is with fats (e.g. organic peanut butter) as bile is needed to absorb CoQ10 in the digestive tract. In fact, take the CoQ10 with Omega/3 oils.

Also, you mentioned low testosterone. Were you prescribed testosterone?

So my prediction is that a combination of what you are taking, stopping drugs that block your own endogenous product of CoQ10, and supplementing high CoQ10 for several months, will give you new life.

Let me know.

Owen

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Both testosterone and vitamin D are made from cholesterol.
Lowering cholesterol increases the risk of death.

People with the highest cholesterol levels live the longest.
The Benefits of High Cholesterol
http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndisea ... olest.html

More energy requires well functioning mitochondria. These are the cell's powerplants.

COQ10 is both an antioxidant and a "mitochondrial sparkplug." You can get Mega-Q Gel 100 for around $22 (US) for 60 Caps at vitacost.com or Swanson's. This form of COQ10 raises blood levels nearly 3 time higher than ordinary COQ10. Jarrow, NOW and Solgar all have enhanced absorption varieties that are worth the extra cost.

Combining about 500 mg of Acetyl-L Carnitine and 200 mg of Alpha-Lipoic acid taken twice daily also will enhance mitochondrial function.

Energy production also requires the B-Complex as well as magnesium.

Recent research shows that Ribose is also helpful in increasing cardiac performance.

I hope that you can still get these supplements in Australia. You have some pretty wicked supplement-grabbers down there!

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Hi Owen,

While 2 scoops a day of (Tower) Ascorsine-9 have been my tolerance limit, I have to say that there is a spring in my step already.

For the past eight months I have not accompanied my wife on our usual walk before breakfast because that would flatten me for the rest of the day.

Now I can walk with her, and not like a 'little old man' and it doesn't wreck the day.

I also walk about 5km later and now I can do that far easier, and with a bit of drive without resenting having to walk just to keep fit.

Well done team!

I'll try increasing the Vitamin C again in a couple of days when things settle down a bit.


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A - Australia


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Owen,

I have been steadily gaining energy over the past two weeks to the point of
almost doubling my walking speed.

However, over the past four days I seem to have faded considerably.

I can't point to any thing definite except an increase in the amount of
water I drink. That was about two glasses a day and I increased that to
about 8-10.

I had also increased the Vitamin C to 6 scoops of A9 and 4 scoops of HT.
Maybe that is too much of a jump.

I wake early but am tired for most of the day.

I changed the Q10 from one x 100mg per day to 2 x 50mg per day.


Then again, this tiredness might be a normal response.


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My initial reaction is this is good news. How old are you?

I assume that you are using your muscles more, which is tiring out the body. You have had no energy for years and your muscles have atrophied. It is an indicator to INCREASE CoQ10 - remember, take with fats/meals. Also, try lean red meat and other "muscle building foods - for the iron, carnitine, etc.

You might back off a little on the supplements, but if you are not at bowel olerance, keep the vitamin C high. Also, make sure that you are getting good,natural fatty acids - Omega 3/6s, which are required for healthy cell membrane repair.

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Hi Owen,

I am 72 years old.


The diet is good, and yes we do eat organic foods such as fish, nuts, kangaroo (highest in iron of any meat) organic chicken and lamb, fresh vegies and fruit.


If I stick with just the 6 x A9 the tolerance is fine.

I'll just have to include the HT at a slower rate.

And Yes, I'll increase the Q10.



Regards,

Remember, this 72 year old had been on statins for 13 years!

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Hi Owen,

I have read Tom Levy's heart book and am now started into his "Curing the Incurable", which I find equally informative and supportive. My step is far stronger now when I do my daily 5km walk.

The other noticeable outcome is that I have not had any of the aura (as in migraine) while out walking.

I knew it wasn't a migraine because I never get a headache with the flashing lights of the aura.

Ever since the bypass I have had a morning cough associated with post nasal drip overnight. While that has not cleared up it has diminished considerably.

My breathing difficulty when bending over and walking up hills has also diminished, but there is quite a way to go with that.

I still can't whistle!

In respect of the tolerance level, I seem to be OK with seven and a half serves a day and I will have to supplement that with Vitamin C tablets.

Is the slow release form any better than the chewable? My concern is what is added to the basic Vitamin C; I think the marketing of the local product is geared to what tastes pleasant rather than the therapeutic value.

On the jar is a column which says % Daily Value and I wondered what that means.

While I am probably restricted by law to advise people to follow my path, I have answered questions from colleagues who have noticed my 'resurrection' and I hope they seek you out from the website reference I have given them.

Regards,

A. from Australia



Great news, I am cautiously happy! (We'll have to work on that whistle)

Kind of interesting about the "law" - isn't it?

The nasal drip makes me now think vitamin D (from sunlight) or lack thereof. Depending on your latitude, you may not be getting vitamin D3 in the quantities you need.. but it is
spring down under now, right? Anyway, it wouldn't hurt to take 1000 to 2000 vitamin D3 (white pills) daily, and I'll bet this will dry up the drip. Also, try to get at least 20
minutes of sunlight on as much of your skin as possible between the hours of 10:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m.

Chewable usually has sugar - a no-no for heart patients. Good slow release better - at least in theory :-)

Daily value is some nonsense concocted by a Government body, after all the criticism of "RDAs" I guess. I'd ignore it.

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Hi Owen,

I decided to take the Atenolol to see what effect it has on my energy levels. After all, I am a Virgo.

As I suspected, I went almost back to square one, and had I not been on the A9 I would have been 'mostly dead' as before.

So I can write that off and continue with what really works.


My wife has started taking the HT and we'll see what happens there too.

I won't need it for some time because I think the A9 will be needed for some time.

Regards,

A.

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Thanks for that info about D3.


As for the bowel tolerance, I noticed in Tom Levy's Curing book some mention of diarrhoea in which lack of water was a factor.

I have adjusted my water intake with the A9 mixture (12g/day) to two glasses of water and drink four litres per day. This seems to assist the bowel.


Regards,


A.

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Hi Owen,

In a package of vitamin C related I ordered from LivOnLabs was an article
about LEP oral delivery which found interesting. ( I'm not about to switch from the A9 because I'm satisfied with my progress.)

I just wondered if the LEP capsules might be more convenient for travelling,
especially on long flights and waiting at terminals.

I have used the slow release capsules for that and I have no way of knowing how effective they are.

Thanks for the Linus Pauling DVD; it reinforces what you have already told me and will help me communicate the message to fellow veterans and colleagues.

I have noticed less breathing distress going uphill, and it is a little easier to keep breathing when I bend over, and I can say that this has been my first experience of a therapy that not only works but also provides a range of encouragements to keep going.

As for the post nasal drip, it had diminished a bit from the vitamin C and that is unchanged with the D3 to this point. It is early days, and since I've had this for about forty years I'd be foolish to expect a change overnight.

Regards,

A.



I'm not familiar with the "LEP" product? Is it new?

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Hi Owen,

Yes, I just used the wrong terminology; they are packets.

I have been ruminating for some time on the post nasal drip/persistent cold and what you said about an underlying condition makes a lot of sense. Over the past nine years doctors have not been able to find any cause of the reduction in energy, and that just got worse and worse. I was sent to a specialist physician who didn't find anything either. So the heart attack
earlier this year were not all that surprising, nor was the cardiologist's response that 'my glass is half full' and I had better get used to it.

At this point, and with a considerable amount of your input, I can see that 'something' is consuming much of the vitamin C I take and I would like to try to step beyond the current 18gm. I think the bowel tolerance can accommodate it, given that I am OK with 18gm. I'll just order the A9 a bit more frequently.

What do you think?

Regards

A




Sounds like a good plan, but perhaps this is where the Livon-Labs lipospheric C comes in? I would recommend that if you can afford it, perhaps before bed, you take 1 packet of Lipo-C daily - in addition to everything else. If you could afford 2 packets daily, even better.

1 packet is roughly equivalent to taking 5000 mg of ordinary C, and 2 packets is roughly equivalent to adding 10 g more of ordinary C, but this product will NOT cause any gas or diarrhea. It is amazing, and can be taken on top of the ordinary C.

In other words, I think the ingredients in A-9 are orthomolecular and safe, but I agree that you need to focus on increasing C to deal with your "issues", and the Lypo-C is a great way to increase blood levels without tolerance issues.

If you already have Lypo-C - you simply add it to about 1/4 glass of water or juice - and gulp. It won't mix/dissolve. I say before bed, because then it is "on top" of all the C you've already taken during the day and will work its magic during the night.

Owen

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Hi Owen,

I don't have any Lypo C but it should be here in a week, and I'll do as you say.

Looking back over my heart experience I know I did not have that deep split in my tongue before starting on statins, and that immediately after the bypass I had breathing difficulties, which remained until recently. It is early days I know; even so the split seems to have decreased.

It is quite likely that I picked up an infection in hospital as well.

About four years ago I finally pinned down another problem to Helicobacter pylori and that was fixed immediately. Prior to that I would faint whenever the stomach pain struck.

I have fainted from that pain ten times over the past forty years, and that is thankfully behind me.

I also had varicose vein and a sticky blood clot removed from my right leg about ten years ago and I hope the A9 works on veins as well as arteries.

Anyway my friend, there will be a lot of changes to document over the next twelve months.

Regards,


Mr. A. O.

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Hi Owen,

By this evening the subtle ache had increased a bit so I tried some nitro ingual spray and that relieved it.

I can manage with that, and would rather not restart Atenolol because that lets me up for reflux as well as making me very slow.

Regards,

A.

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Yes, I had the coronary bypass operation in August 95. Two grafts to accommodate the bockages. The breast bone artery and an artery from my left arm were used for the shunts.

The recent angiogram in May 07 showed three blocked arteries while the shunts were completely clear.

These are not angina pains, which I am quite familiar with; they are more subtle like a tiny ache.

I am taking 18gm daily in four times three scoops.

I am still able to walk briskly and, as I said earlier, breathing is a bit easier.

Regards,

A.



This may be much ado about nothing.

Very unusual to use arm veins - rather than leg veins? If you remember from the beginning of the Levy book - the physiology of veins are/is different than arteries. Veins are weaker. Since the tissue is weaker and now closer to the heart, there is, in theory, a problem with reducing Lp(a) to zero without increasing the structural integrity of the vein bypass.

The atherosclerotic "plaque" may provide structural integrity to veins, and thus Lp(a) as a surrogate for vitamin C and collagen, may be important to the long-term success of heart bypass operations.

Now the following is entirely theoretical, my own theory. And in this theory, there is no harm from increasing vitamin C to maximum. I would do that.

The issue may or may not be the proline, (and maybe lysine) for if, as I suspect, it is the proline which "turns off" the liver's production of Lp(a), at some blood serum concentration, then you may lose the "natural" (alternative to collagen) mechansim (Lp(a)) that keeps the bypass vein strong.

This entire issue is only for the parts of the coronary circulatory system where arteries have been replaced by by-pass veins. For people who don't have bypass, or have stents inside their bypass, this isn't a theoretical issue.

So I would increase C and monitor the pain.

I'm glad you don't think it is Angina, but I am worried about the bypass. In a recent case, while we don't know for 100% for sure, a "recurrence" with a long-term HeartTechnology user
was judged (by a very new state-of-the art test) to be in the area of the bypass vein. I also know of one other case where the "by-pass" collapsed in a Pauling therapy user. His cardiologist told him that bypass collapses are "common."

In a perfect world you (persons with bypass veins) would monitor Lp(a) on a daily basis, and titrate it to between 10-20 mg/dl, until the pain dissappears. Titrate it by taking more or less lysine/proline. Not letting Lp(a) get so high the passage narrows, but not producing so little so that the vein weakens from the heart beat.

So if the pain increases, I would try to cut back the dosage of HT/A-9 by 30%. (You still want to keep the vitamin E high, and vitamin C high).

I don't know how long it takes to kick-start Lp(a) production. The idea is to induce more Lp(a) to "patch" up any weakness that may be appearing inside the bypass vein. (Again, with arteries, the increased production of collagen from increased vitamin C works to increase the intimal thickness. If this can happen with veins, then this entire dissertation is not necessary.)

Keep me informed.

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I asked him how he has been doing. This is his response
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I'm fine; the 5km is covered in 45 minutes without any chest pain; in fact there was no feeling at all.

I did 8km in 1hr 10 the day before. It depends on the weather really; lately we have had temperatures of 35C and I don't want to push myself under those circumstances.

Regards,

Alan

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