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Post Number:#61  Post by Jacquie » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:49 pm

I think of my poor mother who helped on the book and every paper I ever wrote as the editor and official criticizer. She had RA since her 40s, and she died in her 80s. I have only experienced what she experienced for a matter of weeks, and it is hell. I cannot imagine spending your entire life burning in the joints like this.

Shame, shame on the orthodox medical industry for letting people suffer like this. :evil:

We will enshrine the sodium ascorbate bottle in our new church that Dr. Hesselink has agreed to be prime minister of. We were all feeling so good (when I didn't die) that we had trouble staying in our seats laughing about some of the tenets in the new Church of Steve.

:lol: Giggling my ass off.

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Post Number:#62  Post by ofonorow » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:52 pm

J- until Levy's book, I don't think anyone would have thought that an IV could do so much more for RA patients than an oral dose. So I don't blame Big Pharma entirely for this one, but of course indirectly.

I was feeling so good, I asked Dr. Levy about increasing the "NUKE" dosage (stupid question it turns out - I AM NOW IN FULL HERX - 4:00 a.m.)

Here is is almost immediate reply from the orient!



In a message dated 11/24/2011 2:06:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,

Hi Owen,

I'm sitting in the Tokyo airport right now.

I would wait until whatever given dose of vitamin C is completely well-tolerated before bumping up. Don't be impatient, although I understand the urge.

Best regards,

Dr. Levy



Well, I felt so well I thought the mop up could be it, but I went to sleep. Big mistake. it is 4:00 a.m. and I am now in full herx and require another "mop up" IV, so I am in no rush to increase anyway. (I was getting ahead of myself - I am currently experiencing neck paralysis, sore throat, lock jaw and of course all the joint pain/swelling are back.)

I was pretty good around 2:00 a.m. - seems like it was from missing a "scheduled" 5 Lypo-C I would have taken if I had been awake. (I just took 5, but from previous experience - once I've started - only a steroid - or the right C drip (now with a steroid.. hmmm?) does the trick.

So what is going on happening? Are toxins still "oozing" out of tissues from the Catchart sodium ascorbate, or is there some other constant source of toxicity? Teeth?

So this is "working" but I sure hope that what ever source of toxicity there is - I can overcome it. (Reminds me so much of the story of Mike "X" - that he had gotten his sister well, she still had problems in the morning after a night without C - also reminds me, I need to order the timed released vitamin C she recommended!) I am a little confused whether his sister is mercury poisoned or has more toxicity from her infected teeth?


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Re: Another Lypo-C Beats Viral Infection(s) Anecdote

Post Number:#63  Post by Johnwen » Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:55 pm

Owen:
You keep describing your symptoms as RA (rheumatoid arthritis) and I was wondering if you have or had degenerative joint disease before all this? Or is this something that is affecting the joints only after the IV-C primarily when you used the Cathcart NUKE mix.
I had a chance today (turkey day) to further digest what you have written rather then just power read thru it. My first thoughts were, your symptoms resemble very closely to Septic arthritis (SA) rather then RA. SA generally happen when an abundance of bacteria or fungus is present in the body and inappropriate therapy is used to get rid of them some get wiped and the remainder head for the hills (joints) to hide. The synovial fluids of the joints are excellent hiding places since the length of time it takes to replace. Then when the smoke has cleared they can head back out to do their dirty work. Some like where their at and hang around to do their dirty work in the joint. These are usually aspirated with a needle during therapy for SA. However a good NUKING can and will send them to their maker.
Bear in mind that to get this kind of quantity of pathogen into the system without a full blown immune response usually requires a release of high volume of pathogens such as a perforated bowel or intestinal surgery where they can get into the body cavity away from circulation and they can live on the surface of organs till they can get a opening established to enter into the blood stream at which point the immune response will kick in and the host will start becoming sick as more of these little buggers compete for take over or they find the organ they occupy makes for tasty meals since there only chewing on the surface it takes the body a long time to attack them or a doc cracks the host and does a lavage and debridement. Generally it takes between 3 to 24 months for these buggers to establish a good colony. They usually present with some very amazing colors the black colored colonies can be problematic. What’s amazing is an IV placebo can attack these colonies better then any commercial product again it takes time. If you don’t have time we have knifes!!
The biggest problem is candida which is a yeast/fungus that everyone has in their intestines and elsewhere within the body. The body recognizes them as friend because they clean up a lot of garbage. However when there is a high amount floating around they can become problematic or if their released into peritoneum you have a problem because the body’s immune response is ignoring them and their hungry which can leave holes where holes aren’t suppose to be. These buggers love synovial fluid and head for the joints any chance they get and have been named as the biggest cause of RA. Of course studies paid for by big pharma have disproved this! Wonder why$$ Amazing that Naturopaths and herbalist’s have better results curing RA then conventional docs do.
I hope the way I wrote this is understandable to most people. I could have wrote it in medicaleaze but then no one would know what I’m talking about. I did a search and found this link that gives a pretty good briefing on SA with symptoms etc. Again these are my thoughts of what could be happening if in fact they apply is up to those directly involved. You can also see why I believe a fungus is the enemy here.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001466/
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Post Number:#64  Post by ofonorow » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:29 am

Johnwen thank you for taking the time to do that (I did the same thing!). I only scanned your last post (but will go back and read) but from what I saw, I think it confirms what Dr. Levy came up with last night - tonsillitis!!!!!

Instead of a bioweapon, I may have been chronicling a bad case of tonsillitis.

He remember research that showed all tonsils are toxic, and two tonsils can be as toxic as two infected root canals., e.g.

Hi Owen,

The doctor is Josef Issels, and the book is "Cancer, A Second Opinion": see http://www.amazon.com/Cancer-Second-Opinion-Understanding-Controlling/dp/075700279X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322207232&sr=8-1


Best regards,

Dr. Levy



I don't know whether he was in Japan or China, but he used Skype to call and says he is 98% convinced that my symptoms cannot go away until I get my tonsils out.

And that is the feeling I have - that I drain the bath tub with the IV/C protocol, but it keeps filling back up! The reason I feel that Levy is most likely correct is because the point in the back of the neck where this begin to radiate from - to the back, chest, etc. - is where the tonsils are!

Right now they are on fire. I have had a constant sore throat since my first C IVs after the hospital.

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Re: Another Lypo-C Beats Viral Infection(s) Anecdote

Post Number:#65  Post by scottbushey » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:32 am

Owen,
It doesn't seem like it would be too difficult in verifying that it is indeed a tonsillitis-why not see an internist, go on an antibiotic to expedite this bout, then schedule to have them taken out?

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Post Number:#66  Post by Johnwen » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:05 pm

You already have a DDS on your IV team ask her to take a peak at your tonsils for Tonsillitis or Tonsiloliths. A DDS is qualified to evaluate these conditions. Then you can work with her on the next step.
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Post Number:#67  Post by ofonorow » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:56 am

I see another light at the end of the tunnel.. :?

Dr. Diane Meyer is a local holistic dentist and disciple of Dr. Hal Huggins. Yesterday she found 3 different pockets of infection in my mouth/teeth using a series of X-rays. (two cysts/cavitations and an infected impacted wisdom tooth). (Right were the sodium ascorbate drip said it would be, by the way. I am more than a little behind, but our friend "Mike" with the mercury poisoned sister pointed out to me that a toxin free person has no reaction to an IV/C - even a Cathcart-style sodium ascorbate drip, but if you do have toxins, there will be enough of a reaction that the immune system will notice and you can tell where the toxins are. A diagnostic tool. Subject for another post.)

Dr. Meyers will be doing biopsies on these infections so that we will know exactly what bacteria I have been dealing with. I am scheduled to have all the infections removed Monday. (I plan on having a heck of a Cathcart IV/C Tuesday!)

I have been able to control the tonsil pain/sore throat by gargling with iodine/salt water.

I now believe the tonsils were doing their job as sentinels protecting the lower GI tract from bacteria. I have no current plans to remove them. I am hoping that removing the source of the infection/toxicity will eliminate the toxic load, and allow the IV/C treatments to relieve all my symptoms as Dr. Levy had predicted. (Dr. Levy has also stated many times over the years that no amount of vitamin C can overcome a "stream" of toxicity from dental infections. I am starting to believe him.)

This is payback for not visiting a dentist since 2005 - when I had my last amalgam removed.

Dr. Meyer did see indications in the lymph on or around the tonsils that I am fighting infection.

And even though I am now convinced that I have not been the object of a biological weapon, that my tonsils collected as much as they could handle,but the toxin/bacteria exploded out the back of my neck, to my back and chest, resulting in all my issues - including 2 weeks in intensive care, I still think the following is worth pondering:

p.s. Dr Levy found this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21865696
Reactive arthritis induced by tonsillitis: a type of 'focal infection'.

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Post Number:#68  Post by ofonorow » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:44 am

Day one post-mouth infection. Feel good!

Had the dental infections excised yesterday - don't remember much, and was told that my wisdom tooth could not be removed (apparently vitamin C makes all bones stronger!) but all pockets of infection were removed. I also had a Catchart-style IV/C drip during the procedure. (My doc is now on board that there is quite a difference between IV/Cs, and he thinks he knows why, but that is another story for a later date.)

Today all RA symptoms are mild - yesterday, my entire body felt like a big blister.

Hoping I can get a BioNiche 25 g mopup today - and remove all symptoms/vestiges of the infection.
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Post Number:#69  Post by Jacquie » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:35 am

My doc is now on board that there is quite a difference between IV/Cs, and he thinks he knows why, but that is another story for a later date.

The suspense is killing me!

...apparently vitamin C makes all bones stronger!

Yep - bones are pretty much just mineralized cartilage*. Cartilage is 2/3 collagen. Collagen is... you get the idea.


*Yes, a gross oversimplification, but the point remains.

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Post Number:#70  Post by ofonorow » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:19 am

Hoping I can get a BioNiche 25 g mopup today - and remove all symptoms/vestiges of the infection.


Well, that didn't work out so well - mop-up seems to have distributed the toxins and reactivated my arthritis - so a mop up by itself made things worse for me??!?!?

So I have now spent what amounts to a semester's tuition - without benefit - yet. STILL HAVEN'T PROVEN WHAT HAS GOT ME IS NOT A BIOWEAPON!

To Jacquie: I agreed not to divulge my doc's ideas as he wants to write a paper for Townsend Letter, and to verify, it requires a certain amount of lab testing, which is expensive, so unless the Foundation starts getting (more) donations, it may not happen. Suffice it to say my doc went from a skeptic - sodium ascorbate is sodium ascorbate - to a believer before my eyes, and now feels that he can duplicate with cancer what Cameron/Pauling did, but couldn't with the "cold" commercial injectibles.

I will say that one theory is that a by-product may be an analog of vitamin K - not really sure if he meant in the body or just over time in vial. (He is a trained biochemist)
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Post Number:#71  Post by ofonorow » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:31 am

Well, that didn't work out so well - mop-up seems to have distributed the toxins and reactivated my arthritis - so a mop up by itself made things worse for me??!?!?


Update - hoping for input from anyone experienced with bioidentical hormones, especially cortisol! (Just ordered several of the latest books on BIO HR, and cortisol.)

Here is what I think has been and is going on in this (my) case. (I have learned a lot about inflammation - especially "false" inflammation, i.e. Rheumatoid Arthritis.

First, back in July: I do believe that my dental toxicity collected in my tonsils (e.g., ink on the teeth can soon be seen on the tonsils) which are a lymph system, and finally these pathogens/toxins did "explode" out the back of my neck, from the tonsil area, then traveled down my shoulder and into my lungs. Thus two stays in intensive care.

My tonsils have settled down - after the dental work, and different antibiotics. However,
the ONLY thing that controls my Rheumatoid Arthritis symptoms now (symptoms that developed shortly after the hospital stays) is 4 mg prednisolone every 12 hours. Completely normal. No symptoms. Without it, I blow up like a balloon with pain and stiffness, in my extremities and especially my joints.

Finally got an appointment with a specialist - Rheumatologist - who says my RA factor is the highest she has ever seen. I asked her why I had no previous symptoms (as this factor had been measured high for years) and she had no explanation, but noted some people's problems begin in the lungs, then spread.

I asked her why I was told to not stop the prednisone/prednisolone abruptly, and she told me that like cortisol, there is a feedback mechanism. If you get exogenous cortisol/prednizone, your adrenals shut down. By slowly weaning, it can be a way of restarting your own cortisol production.

Eureka! Then the picture cleared for me. The IV steroid (prednizone variant) given on my last day in the hospital must have raised my blood levels so high that it shut down my own cortisol production. (I also read at wikipedia that high vitamin C can have a similar "shut down" effect, which may explain why the symptoms began/worsened after a very high dose vitamin C IV.)

Taking prednisolone - basically cortisol, but 4 times stronger - relieves all symptoms, which provides direct evidence that "replacing cortisol" fixes the inflammation.

So researching, hydrocortisone is basically cortisol, and it superficially made sense that I should just start on this "bioidentical" hormone. However, if you can believe what you read in the internet (sigh) the problem with this approach is that your adrenals will shut down, and the production of other hormones can also be diminished.

My thought now is that I need to try weaning of prednizone (using hydrocortisone) to see whether my adrenals production of endogenous cortisol can be restarted on its own. Perhaps my ultra high RA factor combined with the IV has "burned out" my ability to produce cortisol at my age, in which case my only recourse is monitoring of adrenal hormones and attempting bioidentical hormone replacement.
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Post Number:#72  Post by ofonorow » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:46 pm

And back to the idea of a dental infection -
The DNA results are in, and in one cavitation, 44 different organisms were found.
The dentist also did send pre-op and post-op blood in for testing.

As per glossary -

Active = the micro-organism is alive and well and is not being effectively
attacked by your immune system
.

Bright - heavy concentration of micro organism.

Here are the pathogens that were found in my blood:


Parvimonas micra (active/bright)
Acinteobacter Baumannii (active/faint)
Gemella morbillorum (active/faint)
Prevotella denticola (active/faint)

Mobiluncus Mulieris (active very faint)
Capnocytophaga ochracea (active/very faint)

Klebsiella pneumoniae (bright)
Ochrobactrum anthropi (bright)



My dentist says she doesn't routinely do this testing, but she has never seen this many
organisms.

I was treated for Kelsiella pneumoniae the first hospital stay.

Other confirming data is that when I had the pancreatic surgery - they
found antibodies in my blood and I had to either provide my own blood, (or undergo
special testing) in case I needed blood during surgery. Yesterday, the Rheumatoligist
said not only was my RA factor the highest she'd seen, but because there were so
many antibodies in my blood, it was very difficult to select an appropriate RA drug.

Anyway, since pictures are worth many words, here are the DNA results:


Pre-op Blood
Image

Cavitation Blood
Image

Cavitation Blood
Image

Cavitation Blood
Image

Post-op Blood
Image

Glossary
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Post Number:#73  Post by Johnwen » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:22 pm

This is going to take a little to digest but
Since I didn't see any B-Lactams I'd have you Merrem yesterday!! :shock:
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Post Number:#74  Post by ofonorow » Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:49 am

Thanks johnwen for the advice.

My own research found imipenem (which I assume is an analog)

I notice Meropenern is IV only. Any suggestions on duration and dose?

My current thinking is to make sure all the source of dental/teeth infection is dealt with before taking
the antibiotic, unless there is a low dose I can take in the meanwhile. I was on a high-powered antibiotic
IV and oral for months, but it apparently had little effect on bacteria inside these "cavitations."

Which reminds me, thermography was a "bust". I went to Mercola's clinic to have it done, but the mouth
was "white hot" and it did not differentiate or find individual hot spots around the teeth. (A book Dr. Levy
recommended, regarding my tonsils, Cancer a Second Opinion by Joseff Isles states that not all dental toxicity can be found by
x-ray, and recommended an "infrared toposcope" as infected areas are generally warmer than surrounding
tissue.
) There are infrared cameras used for construction/inspection purposess, that cost around $2K -
and I thought I would rent one to play with, but it had the same problem. Mouth is white hot.

A sharp guy at the rental place, after hearing what I intended to use if for, recommended an "laser targeted
infrared temperature gauge" that you can get at home depot for around $40 (but recommended I get the
most expensive for the best resolution.) I have it, and I measured the gums around my wife's teeth.
She has two root canals, and the gums around those teeth were 3 degrees hotter than the rest of her
mouth/gums! We are trying to do the same thing to my mouth, unfortunately, there seems to be
hot spots all over? It is hard to get a straight line-of-site into the mouth to measure inside gums, but
you can get to the outside.. Will bring toy to dentist and see if there are more cavitations..

after
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Post Number:#75  Post by Jacquie » Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:29 am

Maybe gram doses of niacin would help out here. According to Hoffer, its strengths include: helping to heal the gums, fighting rheumatoid arthritis (somehow), and reducing stored histamine.


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