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Carotid arteries now completely clear

Post Number:#1  Post by kohlrabicroce » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:24 pm

Today my b/f and I got the results of his ultrasound scans, and his carotid arteries are now completely clear.
In June 2012 he had a 100% blockage in a carotid artery which caused his stroke. His heart also checked out
just fine, on last week's ultrasound scans. His cholesterol levels are completely normal. This is the guy who will
not take more than 3 grams of vitamin C a day. He's also been taking one gram of Lysine per day, in 2 doses of
500 mg. He's been taking this for over a year now.


But there were a number of other things he's been taking, because he would not take any more
than 3 grams of C:

Pantethine 600 mg per day
Artichoke extract 450 mg
Tocotrienols 100 mg
Vitamin E regular tocopherols 400 IU
garlic 2 grams
Lecithin 1600 mg

Plus additional supplements for reducing homocysteine levels.

He's taking a bunch of other supplements, but these are the main
ones we worked out for clearing out his arteries - most specifically
the pantethine and artichoke extract. I would have tried guggul too,
but felt it was just too many pills for him.

Other changes we made soon after the stroke: we now cook with
olive oil only, no canola oil. We are now eating a low carb
and low fat diet, and he only eats meat once a week now.
I achieved this by either fermenting or sprouting grains
and beans to reduce the carbs. Or we use tofu.

So even though he was taking Zetia up until July 2013 (which
actually narrows the arteries), and is still taking Warfarin
which increases calcification in the arteries, they are
completely clear.

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Post Number:#2  Post by davids1 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:07 pm

Hi Kohl,

Two questions:

1) Why will he "...not take more than 3 grams of vitamin C a day?"

2) Why do you think/feel olive oil is superior to canola oil?

Thanks,

David
JFYI, I have ingested a Bowel Tolerance dose of ascorbic acid [via one gram tablets], in HEALTH, not illness [of which I have had virtually none], basically every day since 1994, amounting to [currently], on average, 75+ grams [daily], in 10 to 15 divided doses.

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Post Number:#3  Post by Saw » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:54 pm

Amazing!!!

Pantethine 600 mg per day
Artichoke extract 450 mg
Tocotrienols 100 mg
Vitamin E regular tocopherols 400 IU
garlic 2 grams
Lecithin 1600 mg

Plus additional supplements for reducing homocysteine levels.

Interesting B5(Pantethine) and Artichoke extract.
It would be nice to know his entire supplement protocol if
you don't mind posting.

I'm sure the dietary changes helped a lot too.

I believe Pauling's magic number was 40mg per kg, so 3 grams would be
enough for someone weighing 75kg's(165lbs).
Even a Blind Squirrel makes his own vitamin C.

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Post Number:#4  Post by kohlrabicroce » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:55 pm

Davids1,

He has this weird idea in his head. Years ago he read Linus Pauling's
book, then when he acquired a cold he took 3 grams of vitamin C
and found that it did not cure his cold. So he decided it was all
wrong, and it doesn't work. I've tried to tell him he did it wrong,
and he remembered the instructions wrong, but it seems to make no
difference. I guess he agreed to try 3 grams of vitamin C everyday,
this time, just because it doesn't hurt him to try it.

As for your question about olive oil, here are some articles about it
from lef.org:

https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/sep2007_sf_olives_01.htm?source=search&key=olive%20oil
https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/jan2010_The-Secret-Behind-The-Mediterranean-Diet_01.htm?source=search&key=olive%20oil

I decided to go with monounsaturated rather than polyunsaturated.
Personally, I think I do feel better after the switch.



Saw, his complete supplement list is:


Vitamin C , 3 grams per day
Lysine, 500 mg, 2 per day


Pantethine, 300 mg, 2 per day
Tocotrienols, 100 mg, 1 per day
Vitamin E (regular tochopherols), 400 IU, 2 per day
Artichoke extract, 450 mg, 1 per day
B-12 for methylation (methylcobalamin), 5 mg. 1 per day
Tri-methyl glycine (for methylation), 500 mg, 2 per day
Multi-vitamin no iron, 1 per day
Ubiquinol, 50 mg, 1 per day
Alpha lipoic acid, 600 mg, 1 per day
L-carnitine, 500 mg, 1 per day
L-citrulline 850 mg, 1 per day
l-arginine, 500 mg, 2 per day
Beta-sitosteral, 1 gram per day
phosphstidylserine, 100 mg, 1 per day
p-5-p (coenzymated b-6), 25 mg, 1 per day
biotin, 5 mg, 1 per day
Benfotiamine, 160 mg, 2 per day
Niacin (inositol hexacotinate) no-flush, 500 mg, 2 per day
B-100 (b multi-vitamin), 1 per day
Garlic, 500 mg, 4 per day
lecithin, 400 mg, 4 per day
Fish oil, 1 gram, 3 x per week
lutein, 6 mg, 2 per day
Magnesium chelated, 133 mg, 1 per day
grapeseed, 380 mg, 2 per day
DMAE, 130 mg, sometimes
bilberry, 470 mg, 2-3 times a day
Saw palmetto, 320 mg, 2 per day
Horny goat weed extract, 500 mg, 2 per day
Deep thought combination, 2 per day
Calciumn 600 plus D, 1 per day
1200 mg calcium, 800 IU D 1 per day
Ginkgo biloba, 60 mg, 1 per day
theanine, 100 mg, 1-2 times per day

His weight is now less than 165 lbs., so maybe the 3 grams
per day of Vitamin C was just enough. At any rate, this is
a huge relief.

Interesting that the doctor had no curiosity about it whatsoever,
but whatever.

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Post Number:#5  Post by davids1 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:02 pm

kohlrabicroce wrote:Davids1,

As for your question about olive oil, here are some articles about it
from lef.org:

https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/sep2007_sf_olives_01.htm?source=search&key=olive%20oil
https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/jan2010_The-Secret-Behind-The-Mediterranean-Diet_01.htm?source=search&key=olive%20oil

I decided to go with monounsaturated rather than polyunsaturated.
Personally, I think I do feel better after the switch.
Hi Kohl,

If you take a look at the make-up of canola oil http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search/list, you'll find it is essentially identical to olive oil, e.g. they are both high mono-saturated fat type oils. I will most certainly agree, if one can ingest only raw/unprocessed oil, e.g. "extra virgin," that is always better [regardless of which oil you are ingesting]. Whether "raw/unprocessed" canola oil is available commercially, I do not know.

Thanks for your response, Kohl.

Just my "two cents worth,"

David
JFYI, I have ingested a Bowel Tolerance dose of ascorbic acid [via one gram tablets], in HEALTH, not illness [of which I have had virtually none], basically every day since 1994, amounting to [currently], on average, 75+ grams [daily], in 10 to 15 divided doses.

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Post Number:#6  Post by kohlrabicroce » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:28 pm

davids1 wrote:
kohlrabicroce wrote:Davids1,

As for your question about olive oil, here are some articles about it
from lef.org:

https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/sep2007_sf_olives_01.htm?source=search&key=olive%20oil
https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/jan2010_The-Secret-Behind-The-Mediterranean-Diet_01.htm?source=search&key=olive%20oil

I decided to go with monounsaturated rather than polyunsaturated.
Personally, I think I do feel better after the switch.
Hi Kohl,

If you take a look at the make-up of canola oil http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search/list, you'll find it is essentially identical to olive oil, e.g. they are both high mono-saturated fat type oils. I will most certainly agree, if one can ingest only raw/unprocessed oil, e.g. "extra virgin," that is always better [regardless of which oil you are ingesting]. Whether "raw/unprocessed" canola oil is available commercially, I do not know.

Thanks for your response, Kohl.

Just my "two cents worth,"

David



well they are close:

http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/ ... =olive+oil
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/ ... canola+oil

but Olive oil has a higher ration of monounsaturated fats to polyunsaturated.
Also, I have never seen any raw/unprocessed canola oil available commercially.

here's something about the dangers of canola oil:

https://skepticdetective.wordpress.com/ ... dangerous/

I didn't used to believe these claims, I thought canola was just fine,
but I feel differently now that I made the switch.

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Post Number:#7  Post by davids1 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:12 am

Hi Kohl,

I hypothesize that IF you could purchase canola oil in as unprocessed a state as the olive oil you use, you would find no difference. However, that is a big "if!"

If you feel better with the olive oil [and can afford it], I say "more power to you!"

Best of health to you, Kohl, and thanks for sharing,

David
JFYI, I have ingested a Bowel Tolerance dose of ascorbic acid [via one gram tablets], in HEALTH, not illness [of which I have had virtually none], basically every day since 1994, amounting to [currently], on average, 75+ grams [daily], in 10 to 15 divided doses.

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Post Number:#8  Post by kohlrabicroce » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:13 am

You're welcome, thank you too.
I can only afford the olive oil because I get it in a
big can fairly cheaply at a store that sells food in bulk
quantities.

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Post Number:#9  Post by Bossman » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:03 am

That is a very extensive list of supplements he is taking and I wonder whether he would not be able to delete 50% of the supplements without any negative effect for his health.

At the same time I am surprised by the fact that he takes only 1 gram of fish oil 3 times a week.
What type of fish oil is that? How much DHA and EPA is he getting?
I have been taking 1500 mg of DHA and 600 mg of EPA daily now for the past months and I never felt so great before, both physically and mentally.

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Post Number:#10  Post by ofonorow » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:21 am

Obviously this is wonderful news, and the smaller vitamin C/lysine dosage matches the case of my uncle's carotids that I wrote about in PMWAL. I have never heard of it working with a 100% blockage, however, and suspect the high dosage lecithin was probably involved. (I/V lecithin is used in Europe for heart disease.)

In my uncle's case, after a car accident he had ultrasounds and they detected 90% and 70% blockages in his carotid arteries. They operated on the 90%, scraped out the white plaque and showed it to my aunt and uncle, and he felt much better. They schedule the second operation on the 70% side for a month later.

My Aunt knowing what I was recommending (almost) put my uncle on 5 pills of vitamin C and 5 pills of lysine daily for that month. (They were 500 mg pills, so instead of the recommended 5000/5000, my uncle only got 2500/2500 per day.)

My Aunt call after the second surgery exciting telling me that the doctors searched up and down (he was more swollen than the first operation) but could find no plaque!

For some people, a lower dosage can be effective. It would be wonderful if some research was taking place.
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Post Number:#11  Post by randian » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:51 pm

ofonorow wrote:In my uncle's case, after a car accident he had ultrasounds and they detected 90% and 70% blockages in his carotid arteries. They operated on the 90%, scraped out the white plaque and showed it to my aunt and uncle, and he felt much better.

Did they put in stents afterwards? I didn't know they could scrape out the plaque directly.

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Post Number:#12  Post by kohlrabicroce » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:08 pm

ofonorow wrote:Obviously this is wonderful news, and the smaller vitamin C/lysine dosage matches the case of my uncle's carotids that I wrote about in PMWAL. I have never heard of it working with a 100% blockage, however, and suspect the high dosage lecithin was probably involved. (I/V lecithin is used in Europe for heart disease.)

In my uncle's case, after a car accident he had ultrasounds and they detected 90% and 70% blockages in his carotid arteries. They operated on the 90%, scraped out the white plaque and showed it to my aunt and uncle, and he felt much better. They schedule the second operation on the 70% side for a month later.

My Aunt knowing what I was recommending (almost) put my uncle on 5 pills of vitamin C and 5 pills of lysine daily for that month. (They were 500 mg pills, so instead of the recommended 5000/5000, my uncle only got 2500/2500 per day.)

My Aunt call after the second surgery exciting telling me that the doctors searched up and down (he was more swollen than the first operation) but could find no plaque!

For some people, a lower dosage can be effective. It would be wonderful if some research was taking place.


Didn't know they use lecithin for heart disease in europe. I think it's great, even though it seems to be an "out of date" supplement, meaning that I only see books about lecithin ftom the 60's and '70's. I'm using more of it myself.

Yeah, I wish they were doing more research. Thanks the story about your uncle!

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Post Number:#13  Post by jpoww » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:30 pm

What ultrasound scans are you guys talking about? Everytime I ask cardiologist if there is a scan that can detect blockages or percentages of blockages they tell me no such thing??

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Post Number:#14  Post by kohlrabicroce » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:23 pm

jpoww wrote:What ultrasound scans are you guys talking about? Everytime I ask cardiologist if there is a scan that can detect blockages or percentages of blockages they tell me no such thing??


There are a few different ones you can get done.
There's the transcranial doppler, which is for the brain.
There's the duplex ultrasound for the carotid arteries, which is
for the carotid arteries leading to the brain.
And there's another one for the heart, have to look up the name for that one.

I'm not sure it gives as much detail as something like a CT scan, but then
you don't have to risk kidney failure from the iodine injection they give.

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Post Number:#15  Post by jpoww » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:32 am

I just want to know the name of the scan your boyfriend had for his heart?


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