Vitamin K? (And Vitamin A?)

[ofonorow]

And Weston-price has a similar argument visa vis Vitamin A - this triad, D, A and K needs to be taken together. I think what is new in Death By Calcium, or at least generally unrecognized before the new Levy book, is how important vitamin C is for bone health. Dr. Levy had found evidence that osteoporosis is a form of "bone scurvy" that I first remember reading about in Primal Pancea.

A case in point. I have mentioned this before - when I was going through my "intensive care" episodes, during which I started blaming on a bio weapon!?!? before I figured out that it was simply a cortisol deficiency - I had my tonsils out and dental cavitations treated (removed) as well as my wisdom teeth ( which may have had abcesses).

The dentist, a Hal Huggins disciple, a woman, could NOT remove my wisdom teeth. And not from a lack of trying. Apparently with all the vitamin C (and D, K and A) that I take - my bones are strong. he he

[skyorbit]

I just purchased 2 bottles of Koncentrated K from http://www.k-vitamins.com/.

I hope the potency is at least what's on the label. I don't know anything about this company.

Dr Levy said 15mg 3 times a day of MK-4. these are 25mg each, so, I figure if I do have to keep it in my system, I can take three a day and get that much more. There's pretty much NO toxicity to vitamin K from what Dr Levy said.

And the astaxanthin will be good for my eyes.

Tracy

[exitium]

(I am still wondering about their reported puny vitamin A recommendation !?! Maybe that was a misprint in another post. How why would the world's strongest proponent of vitamin A recommend 1/10 of the RDA? Can anyone find the reference?)

Are you saying weston price is recommending 1/10th of the rda?

From what I have seen WP is recommending 9500 IU vitamin A and 1950 IU vitamin D (http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-o ... cs#clarify)

the RDA for Vit A is 625mcg RAE (http://www.iom.edu/Activities/Nutrition ... %201-4.pdf)

When dealing with REA things get a little muddy depending on type of vit A being consumed.

1 IU retinol = 0.3 mcg RAE
1 IU beta-carotene from dietary supplements = 0.15 mcg RAE
1 IU beta-carotene from food = 0.05 mcg RAE
1 IU alpha-carotene or beta-cryptoxanthin = 0.025 mcg RAE

If we make the assumption the fermented cod liver oil WP recommends falls into the "beta-carotene from dietary supplements" category and they recommend 9000IU we could multiply 9000*.15 and and it would be 1350mcg RAE which is double what the FDA recommends. If its in the form of retinol then we have 9000*.3 which is 4x rda.

[ofonorow]

Thanks for your post. I was reacting to another post which seemed to have Weston Price's recommendation for vitamin A around 1100 iu.

I am glad you cleared that up. 9000 to 10000 is more reasonable.

Another thing. There used to be an article about vitamin D on Weston Price - it may have been part of the original Miracle of Vitamin D article - which described how they discovered vitamin D's strong anti-infection property. A wing of a hospital was being given vitamin for some study, when the flu hit the hospital. No one in the wing given vitamin D caught the flu. Trying to find that reference/article.

[skyorbit]

Owen. How much Vitamin A and Vitamin D do you take?

TRacy

[ofonorow]

Vitamin D3 - 2000 iu in summer, 5000 iu in winter in pill form - but I get at least 20 minutes of UV/B light every day, either lamp or sun.

Vitamin A
10,000 pill
? Cod Liver Oil
5000 iu Ascorbade So probably 10 to 20K

[Serdna]

There used to be an article about vitamin D on Weston Price - it may have been part of the original Miracle of Vitamin D article - which described how they discovered vitamin D's strong anti-infection property. A wing of a hospital was being given vitamin for some study, when the flu hit the hospital. No one in the wing given vitamin D caught the flu. Trying to find that reference/article.

I don't know about Weston A. Price Foundation but the story is from Dr. Cannell: Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D. A as matter of fact Dr. Cannell is highly critical of vitamin A supplementation.

[ofonorow]

[Serdna]

[ofonorow]

Linus Pauling recommended 25,000 iu of Vitamin A daily. (Which I have tried to follow since about 1986 - and my bones are rock hard.)

Here is an interesting perspective that shows NO DEATHS from vitamin A in the medical literature.
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/journal/mega2.1.html

In the third world, high dose vitamin A (100,000 iu to 500,000 iu) via injection saves lives. It protects children from death by infection and blindness for about a year. As far as I know, no other vitamin is used like this by WHO.

Added - and as far as Dr. Cannell's reasoning, the arguments are rather weak (no experiments, merely conjecture. For example, yes, increase vitamin A (without vitamin E and K2) would probably lead to a higher incidence of fractures. These vitamins work together, and vitamin A's role is to help remove old bone. (Just removing old bone without creating new bone would weaken bones). His arguments about infections are questionable. Certainly vitamin D plays a large role, but we have the 3rd world evidence that these very large vitamin A injections prevent infections in the children, who would otherwise perish.

[skyorbit]

So, just a question.

How much vitamin E should one take, if they're taking 100 IU of vitamin A? What should that ratio be?

Tracy

[Serdna]

We all have our biases. Mine is being an idealist. I don't buy that evolution did such a bad job that we may consider all of us ill because our livers don't make ascorbic acid. That does not prevent us to use gram doses of it when we see fit though. I even take 3g/day myself.

In the vitamin A matter I don't think we evolved gorging on cod liver oil or eating liver daily but we certainly evolved getting a lot of sun and eating somewhat lower dose preformed vitamin A sources.

[tjohnson_nb]

We all have our biases. Mine is being an idealist. I don't buy that evolution did such a bad job that we may consider all of us ill because our livers don't make ascorbic acid. That does not prevent us to use gram doses of it when we see fit though. I even take 3g/day myself.

In the vitamin A matter I don't think we evolved gorging on cod liver oil or eating liver daily but we certainly evolved getting a lot of sun and eating somewhat lower dose preformed vitamin A sources.

There are many ways for life to survive, with or without AA synthesis, for example. This does not mean we can't improve things - in a sense its contributing to our evolution.

[skyorbit]

So, just a question.

How much vitamin E should one take, if they're taking 100 IU of vitamin A? What should that ratio be?

Tracy

I'm going to re ask this.

Tracy

[ofonorow]

First of all - 100 IU of vitamin A? Pauling recommended 25,000 IU - so did you mean A or something else? I do not see how vitamin E is related in any way to vitamin A intake? (Certainly, Vitamin D, probably K and interrelated to Vitamin A intake.)

My take on why the liver "hoards" vitamin A, but not other vitamins, is because vitamin A is so vital to life, and we cannot live long without it. During periods where there is no vitamin A in the diet - the liver slowly releases its store of vitamin A. Say when a bear is hibernating.