Vitamin K? (And Vitamin A?)

exitium · Post by **exitium** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:04 pm

Since there seems to be a delicate relationship between Vit A, D and K, what kind of doses are people seeing used/recommended for these? Ive been a long time D user but have overlooked A and K. I have some of each on the way.

Post by **ofonorow** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:04 pm

exitium · Post by **exitium** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:20 pm

Thanks for the response Owen. It just so happens I have some LEF vitamin K on the way and was curious how much people are taking.

Ive got Levy's book "Stop americas #1 killer" and in it he says 3-9mg vitamin K daily. Seems like a lot since most K supplements are in mcg realm.

I also noticed he has a somewhat low recommendation for D3 at 400-1000IU daily and no mention of A at all but says E at 400-1000IU daily as well.

Myself I have been taking 5000-1000 D3 daily for quite some time now and dont seem to have any of the sides people often complain about with it when they actually do have sides. A and K are the 2 that I really havent been using but have both on the way to add to my regiment.

skyorbit · Post by **skyorbit** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:21 pm

How much Vitamin K2 does Levy recommend?

TRacy

exitium · Post by **exitium** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:31 pm

skyorbit wrote:How much Vitamin K2 does Levy recommend?

TRacy

Menatetrenone (k2) 3-9mg Daily in the version of the book I have.

skyorbit · Post by **skyorbit** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:26 am

3-9 milligrams? Damn. Most supplements are on the microgram scale. That goes along with Weston Price (he called it Activator X) though.

Tracy

skyorbit · Post by **skyorbit** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:30 am

PS:

So he's OK with MK-4 vs MK-7?

Tracy

Lone Dog · Post by **Lone Dog** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:03 am

3-9mg sounds like a mistake or a typo. I've seen figures of around 200mcg quoted for activation, e.g.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... in-k2.aspx

Other useful info there on D/K2 as well.

exitium · Post by **exitium** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:35 am

skyorbit wrote:3-9 milligrams? Damn. Most supplements are on the microgram scale. That goes along with Weston Price (he called it Activator X) though.

Tracy

Yea, I though it seemed like a lot as well, one of the reasons I posted here.

So he's OK with MK-4 vs MK-7?

He didnt really talk much about, just has a page and a half list of recommendations and on it was "Menatetrenone (k2) 3-9mg Daily"

3-9mg sounds like a mistake or a typo. I've seen figures of around 200mcg quoted for activation, e.g.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... in-k2.aspx

Other useful info there on D/K2 as well.

While Mercola sometimes parrots interesting studies and data most of what he is plugged into is the mainstream journals. I find him more of a marketer than a doctor or scientific researcher, he just has his team collect interesting info to support the use of his products which are often overpriced. He also only recommends 150mcg a day of iodine a day which I believe is a dangerously low amount of iodine and is based on poor science.

Personally I found Levys list to be pretty complete but does totally overlook iodine and vitamin A and has selenium intake at 200mcg, which for many, especially those needing iodine, 200mcg is not nearly enough.

skyorbit · Post by **skyorbit** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:22 am

Mercola's "liposomal" vitamin C is an example of Mercola being a bit of a know-nothing while claiming to know everything.

Relentless improvement has a 15 mg K2-4. I used to be able to find a high dose 500 mcg K2-7 from Vitashop, but they don't have it anymore.

TRacy

exitium · Post by **exitium** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:48 am

The LEF super K product seems pretty potent.

Servings Per Container 90
Amount Per Serving

Vitamin C (as Ascorbyl palmitate) 10 mg
Vitamin K activity 2200 mcg
From:
Vitamin K1 (as phytonadione) 1000 mcg
Vitamin K2 (as menaquinone-4) 1000 mcg
Vitamin K2 (as menaquinone-7) 200 mcg
Ascorbyl palmitate 25 mg

skyorbit · Post by **skyorbit** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:51 pm

I just bought some more high vitamin butter oil from Green Pastures.

TRacy

Post by **ofonorow** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:17 am

Vitamin K is somewhat obtuse in that most vitamin K1 recommendations are in milligrams, and the variants make the vitamin K issue a little confusing. Forms convert in the body into other forms. I don't have it straight, but I note in DEATH BY CALCIUM (the index) that Levy has 25 different entries for vitamin K!

On page 125 (Chapter: Essential weapons against Osteoporosis) are his current vitamin K dosing recommendations (based on studies cited by the book)

Vitamin K1 - 5 mg daily

Vitamin K2 (MK-4) 45 mg daily in three separate 15 mg doses (Yes I double checked - based on Japanese studies)

Vitamin K2 (MK-7) At least 200 micrograms daily

This is in the discussion of osteoporosis and keeping bones strong.

The next section discusses the lack of toxicity of vitamin K - The MK7 test gave the equivalent of 140 grams (140,000 mg) without any evidence of toxicity.

added on page 127 of Death by Calcium Levy says that the GLAKAY (registered trademark) brand comes in 15 mg capsules of MK-4. From Japan, may require prescription. If an osteoporosis patient can't get the Japanese pills, Levy recommends at least 3 Super-K per day.

exitium · Post by **exitium** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:35 am

Thanks for the additional info Owen. Glad to hear toxicity isnt an issue.

skyorbit · Post by **skyorbit** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:13 pm

So, it looks like the LEF product combined with the RElentless improvement one would work.

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