I sure hope it isn't hype

[ofonorow]

New user gmdodaro sent this

You web site and book have completely convinced me that this will help in my family with heart disease over several generations. I sure hope it isn't hype.


... asked how they found us

Thanks, Owen? Short answer: I found http://www.paulingtherapy.com/ when I clicked a link under doctors on the Gordon Research site.

Long answer: I've been searching for answers for three years since Electron Beam Tomography test first registered 255 and then more than doubled to 555 a couple of months ago.
I've had about 10 disodium EDTA chelations and started ozone both IV and home admin. Now I get a fast 3 gram Ca EDTA push once a week.

I read Pauling in the 1980s and have taken 5-10 grams of ascorbic acid per day for most of 30 years. But, about the same time frame this odyssey began, I thought I might be absorbing too much iron as a result of the vitamin C. I have thalassemia minor and have been anemic all my life despite the fact that my ferritin tests currently at 377.

I'm back to high dosage of ascorbic 10-15 g/daily plus 6 g Lysine and 3 g Proline. Also a raft of other supplements including CoQ10, B12 methalcobalymin ....

I'm 65. My parents both have heart disease, but are surviving in their 90s. My enthusiasm for your information has been persuasive and they are on the C/Lysine/Proline protocol as well. They are case studies in heart disease, Mom with severe aortic stenosis, atrial fibrillation, blood pressure problems and the attendant medications coumadin, metoprolol, lysinnopril. Dad 92 has had 4 way bypass and 2 stents, and after fifteen years on statins he now has dementia at 94.

[gmdodaro]

Thanks, Owen. We're open to suggestions. To answer your question from the email conversation, yes the EBT scores are coronary calcium. I was stunned by the interpretation that I am likely to have a heart attack or stroke. I run five or six days per week and am mostly asymptomatic. Stress tests and echo cardiograms are fine. But, this past summer I had several episodes of atrial fibrillation, which sent me back to the cardiologist for the second test. I've started taking 5-8 mg of vitamin K daily, vitamin E mixed tocopherals, CoQ10, various minerals, including zinc, magnesium, selenium.

After the last EBT and a-fib episodes, the cardiologist suggested aspirin, a statin, diltiazem to prevent a-fib, and at the ER they urged me to start coumadin. The cardiologist is a pleasant, reasonable guy who says I'm an interesting case. He didn't blanch when I told him I had five Na2 EDTA chelation treatments, 3 grams, after my first coronary calcium score of 255. These treatments didn't slow the calcium accumulation, though they did relieve me of lead and mercury measured near the top of the charts. The cardiologist says he'd like to have somebody teach him something, which I think is an honest appraisal of the efficacy of his current remedies.

My wife and I have been careful about what we eat for thirty five years, avoiding junk and sugar like the plague. But, it appears reduced dosage of vitamin C, due to my concern about ferritin above 300, has taken a toll. I think most of the damage was done in only a year or so. Previously I was an enthusiast for Pauling and vitamin C. I wasn't deterred by a friend who is professor at the UW medical school, when I asked what he thought about Pauling's "Vitamin C and the Common Cold"--this was back in the 1980s. Professor Al opined, "We had Pauling speak at the med school, and he is completely rational until he starts talking about vitamin C." I wasn't deterred because by that time I had discovered that I didn't have to suffer with 2-3 miserable colds per year that lasted a couple of weeks. It also relieved my allergies, no small feat in the Pacific Northwest, and I felt better.

My parents 94 and 92 are going to be difficult to treat. Both have a-fib. My mother is on the drugs listed in the earlier message, including coumadin, which precludes vitamin K. But, she has taken this protocol willingly and is trying to get enough ascorbic acid, l-lysine, and l-proline to make progress. She hasn't had any surgery or stents. Her cardiologist this week increased her dosage of metoprolol 50 -> 100 units. She's giving the ascorbic acid, l-lysine, and l-proline to my father as feasible given his dementia.

I made a typo in the email message: my father's heart surgery and stents were not when he was 92 but about 20 and 15 years ago. 92 is my mother's age.

[purposefirst]

[gmdodaro]

Hello, PurposeFirst. Yes, certainly, I am interested in your experience with chelation. As I mentioned, the first five slow 3 hour 3 gram Na2 EDTA chelation treatments I had, about a year ago, didn't slow down the calcium build-up in my case. The EBT calcium score more than doubled from 255 to 555. Since then I've had another five slow Na2 EDTA of 1.5 grams plus ozone autohemotherapy following Drs. Robert Rowen and Frank Shallenberger. Shallenberger calls the combination chezone.

As I've read about chelation, starting with Dr. Cranton and more recently with Gordon, Shallenberger, and others, I've concluded that, in many cases, chelation doesn't clear calcification from the arteries, but people often "get well" anyway. Gordon's recovery, for example. Many chelation patients never have the EBT test for calcium, so it's difficult to know what is happening, but it seems plausible that reducing heavy metal toxicity relieves some of the inflammation that causes arterial sclerosis. Ozone has been studied extensively by Rowen, Shallenberger, Velio Bocci, and others and shown to have numerous useful effects, including Nitric Oxide production, antimicrobeal action.

Here is an article by Gordon on the fast Ca EDTA chelation: http://beta.asoundstrategy.com/sitemast ... otocol.pdf
Gordon's investigations seem more extensive than Cranton's, especially with regard to oral chelation. I think most people can benefit from removing heavy metals. And, of course, Gordon's site links to Owen Fonorow's Linus Pauling therapy site, which is where I started a couple of weeks ago, and I'm very thankful I found it.

The Pauling therapy looks much superior for treating heart disease, and I'm on it, pushing bowel tolerance every day and half the night.

[Johnwen]

[gmdodaro]

Thanks, JohnWen. Since I learned about the Pauling Therapy, it appears less important to chelate toxic metals than correcting subclinical vitamin C deficiency. I have gotten rid of a lot of lead and mercury over past months that showed in my first test about a year ago. The objective now is to reduce or eliminate the coronary calcium indicated by recent EBT score of 555.

I wouldn't have known I have heart disease had I not done EBT scans: 255 three years ago, 555 recently. I run 5-6 days per week without any indications of problems. I lift weights. About 6 episodes of atrial fibrillation were disturbing, but they have stopped for two months. My carotid arteries are better than average for my age. Since the calcified arteries are mainly in the heart, it seems my exercising has stressed the area more than usual, and caused stress and breakdown that the lp(a) is binding. Lp(a) last measured at 23. Another factor is ferritin at 377. Also, I remembered when writing the message to PurposeFirst that I have osteopenia. Parathyroid tested normal.

Compared to some of the cases I've read about, mine seems easy. Take vitamin C to tolerance with 6-8 grams lysine and 2-3 grams proline. Heavy metal removal at this stage may be optional. I'm waiting for results of most recent provocation test.

My mother is a difficult case: severe aortic stenosis, on metoprolol and coumadin. But she is doing the recommended dosages.
My father's dementia seems unlikely to be remediable by Pauling therapy. Do you have any opinion on dementia treatment? He has shown some improvement that seemed to be result of ozone, immediately after autohemotherapy.

[purposefirst]

Dr Johnwen,
Yes, your post is very helpful. You have added information of which I was not aware thus improving my understanding, and you have also backed up my previous conclusion. Thank you!

[purposefirst]

[gmdodaro]

PurposeFirst, it sounds like you were also stunned to find out that you had heart disease even after staying in good physical condition for life. There clearly are several factors in arterial sclerosis. One difference between your chelation doctors and mine is that mine is taking the 3 gram CaEDTA push himself.

I found the article by Gordon and sent it to my doc. He read it and considers Gordon a reliable source after knowing his work for many years. My doc agreed to do the 3 g push in my case, followed by metals test and renal function test after a few treatments. But the kicker is that he, without any input from me, started taking the 3 g push himself.

He has been practicing environmental medicine for 40 years or more. He says most of his patients do EECP and get rid of heavy metals by that treatment. My doc also does EECP himself. But he started the 3 g Ca EDTA push himself, which is pretty strong conviction that he thinks it can do some good.

Another factor in my case that I forgot to mention. When I was in the ER for atrial fibrillation, they put every instrument that they wanted to help pay for on me. I still have pretty good insurance. A chest x-ray discovered that my lungs are overdeveloped. They had to take two shots to x-ray all of them. They also told me I have osteopenia. For some reason I'm pulling calcium out of my bones. Parathyroid test was normal. At the time of the x-rays my 5 Na2EDTA chelations were more than a year previously. Those were 3 hour, 3 g slow treatments as Cranton recommends.

[Johnwen]

[gmdodaro]

Thanks, Johnwen. I'm reading!
If vit C, lysine, and proline only improve arteries, but don't reduce calcification of the valves, it appears that the calcification of the aortic valve in my mother's case is going to be the biggest problem. I don't know the extent or numbers of her stenosis/valve problem. Can C, lysine, proline reduce aortic stenosis?

The side effects of Foscarnet seem daunting for a woman 92 years old. Do you think Na2EDTA chelation would do any good? She has had a few 1.5 gram 2 hour treatments, but she felt weakened by them. Hard to tell whether it was virus that she got at the same time. Now even getting vit C intervenously seems to make her feel weak. She takes a senior transport bus to the doctor for herself or my father or both. I live 175 miles away.

Here is a study, surprisingly published in Journal of Cardiovascular Diseases & Diagnosis
A Novel Chemical Solution to Demineralize Valvular and Coronary
Calcification: Insights from Yogurt and Honey
http://esciencecentral.org/journals/a-n ... 000130.pdf

[ofonorow]

My parents 94 and 92 are going to be difficult to treat. Both have a-fib. My mother is on the drugs listed in the earlier message, including coumadin, which precludes vitamin K. But, she has taken this protocol willingly and is trying to get enough ascorbic acid, l-lysine, and l-proline to make progress. She hasn't had any surgery or stents. Her cardiologist this week increased her dosage of metoprolol 50 -> 100 units. She's giving the ascorbic acid, l-lysine, and l-proline to my father as feasible given his dementia.

As we have discovered, your parents can take vitamin K without interferring with INR - the K2 form, and if they are on coumadin, then this drug is "rapidly calcifying" their arteries by blocking the action of vitamin K. Hundreds of pubmed studies support this.

[gmdodaro]

I'll try to convince her to take vitamin K. Do you have a good source? I've had trouble finding K high dosage.
I talked with one of her doctors about this and he was against vit K, says coumadin works by subverting the action of vitamin K. They scared her into starting coumadin when she developed mild a-fib. They wanted to give it to me after one episode of atrial flutter!
Getting her off coumadin safely is one of my main objectives. A naturopath says he can substitute nattokainese and some other things. This is hazardous territory.

[gmdodaro]

PurposeFirst, please see this research abstract about Ca EDTA chelation, co-author Dr. Cranton: http://gordonresearch.com/inner.cfm?sit ... &pid=46695

Here's an interesting study that shows EDTA chelation can improve kidney function: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6441110

[purposefirst]