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UK Prescription

Post Number:#1  Post by freeform » Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:41 am

I would like to say a big thank you to everyone here for the time and inspiration you all put into effectively communicating Linus Pauling’s theory and alternative therapy. I have been lurking and reading advice since my MI and DES insertion in 2009, I'm so very, very relieved to be off of all my cardiac drugs, not even an Aspirin since Dec last year! I feel great.

Living in the UK I am fortunate to have a GP who supports me in my supplement regime, from what I gather that’s a rare find! I don’t know if this is of any help to the UK patients here, did you know that you can obtain some of the recommended supplements on NHS prescription? Niacin (Niaspan) Omega 3 (Omecor) COQ10 & NAC. Vitamin C, the doc said is only available in IV form..... It pays to keep pestering. :twisted:

Again, thank you!

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Post Number:#2  Post by ofonorow » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:54 am

Good to hear from you and that you are off cardiac drugs. Congratulations! If you care to share any more about your experience, we would appreciate your report.
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Post Number:#3  Post by freeform » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:02 pm

Owen, the people who gave their experiences in your book were an inspiration. I’ll tell my story as a credit to their bravery.

Dec 2009 I suffered an MI, Ambulance blue light and straight into the operating theatre. A Taxus DES was inserted, there is another moderate lesion higher up but that did not warrant stenting (both located in the LAD). I dutifully and gratefully took all my medications : Aspirin 75mg, Clopidogrel 75mg, Bisoprolol 2.5mg, Ramipril 2.5mg, Simvastatin 40mg, GTN spray and the hospital also prescribed 1000mg Omega 3 (Omacor). By the middle of Jan 2010 a decent nights sleep was becoming more elusive. At one point I felt like I was tripping on the NHS, night hallucinations and literally dragging myself out of bed in the morning fatigued and aching. It was then I commenced researching, which culprit is doing this? Hello Statin! The more I read, the more determined I was to throw it out the window. It went on the bonfire instead. I am repeatedly lectured on why I should take the Statin, try a different make? I stood my ground on not wanting it. The end of January 2010 I started taking COQ10, Vitamin B complex and 3000 mg of Vitamin C. My ramipril dose was also increased from 2.5 mg to 5mg. March I started having problems, life was not very pleasant with dizzy spells and angina. I purchased myself a BP monitor and kept record, my BP would occasional hit the floor . My doc was concerned that there might be something more serious going on and referred me back to the Cardiologist. while waiting for my appointment I sent the Ramipril blood pressure meds to the bonfire, my BP has maintained good levels. Am still experiencing chest pain and pulse rate erratic on exercise though. The Cardiologist wants to do another angiogram to rule out restenosis, my heart sinks, can’t you just change the pills? We agree that I am to be compliant with the Clopidogrel, Aspirin & Bisoprolol.

May 2010 Angiogram. The stent is squeaky clean and the other lesion has not increased in size. So, what’s causing this pain? my Cardiologist thinks perhaps it’s artery spasm. So, why is my pulse rate not right on exercise? My Cardiologist does not know, he prescribes nitrates. As my BP has a history of hitting the floor, I am to take before bed and hopefully my BP will be normal during the day..... it did relieve the angina. However, the stonking headache and having to crawl on the floor to go the to the toilet in the middle of the night, another candidate for the bonfire.

I then acquire research OCD, finding Linus Pauling’s theory and adopt that as part of my daily regime, still chest pain. I then find this site, order a copy of Owen’s book. An American friend also sends me a copy of Reverse Heart Disease Now. Read about and include Magnesium supplement, now I have died and gone to heaven - chest pain and discomfort reduced to minimal niggle. Life and future is starting to look and feel brighter. My Doc is amazed and came out with the million dollar question “How can I help?” so she went through the supplements available on prescription. I gave her a copy of the books.

Oct 2010, I stopped taking the Clopidogrel and commenced Vitamin E. There was another side effect I had been experiencing for several months.. hair loss! I’m a 47 year old female, and my hair was falling out, there were only only 2 culprits left, Aspirin or Bisoprolol? December 2010, I decided to add these to the bonfire too. My hair ceases to eagerly part from my scalp now. I have yet to inform my Doctor of the last drug culling - I have a funny feeling she might just say to me “Have you seen your cardiologist lately?” that’s fine, I’ll give him a copy of the books too.

Jan 2011, knee op! Pre admission clinic, nurse having hissy fit over my supplement list declaring that I will have to cease these 2 weeks prior! No, I don’t think so! She then stomps off to find the anaesthetist to instruct me to stop taking them. He kindly smiled and said “The one thing we don’t do enough of is address the cause” I think the establishment just summed it all up in one small sentence.

I feel I have quality of life back again. For me personally, thats equal to winning the lottery.

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Post Number:#4  Post by BaronZemo » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:55 am

At one point I felt like I was tripping on the NHS, night hallucinations and literally dragging myself out of bed in the morning fatigued and aching.


Are you sure you were not auditioning for a remake of "the Prisoner" as a female replacement for Patrick MaCgoohan (sp) ?



the Clopidogrel and commenced Vitamin E. There was another side effect I had been experiencing for several months.. hair loss!


Sounds more like a torture chamber than a hospital.....
I was wondering, in the UK, and europe for that matter, can you buy vitamins at the store, or is it only available if you get a prescription from a doctor?

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Post Number:#5  Post by freeform » Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:07 am

Are you sure you were not auditioning for a remake of "the Prisoner" as a female replacement for Patrick MaCgoohan (sp) ?


Yeah, right! :lol: I guess drugs and I don't mix.



[/quote]Sounds more like a torture chamber than a hospital.....
I was wondering, in the UK, and europe for that matter, can you buy vitamins at the store, or is it only available if you get a prescription from a doctor?[/quote]

I really can not complain about our UK NHS and hospitals, did not mean for our national treasure to come across as a torture chamber (Heart Disease is a "challenge" chamber), It's a free health service, paid for through our Tax contributions. They also send you to cardiac rehab where you do your hour exercise then lectures on food and low fat diet - sadly, supplements are not recognized as part of nutrition lecture. What did crack me up at the end of one session, the nurse said have a biscuit with your cupa tea! My reply: it's full of hydrogenated fat which clogs arteries, why do I want a biscuit? Nurse reply: You are taking your statin aren't you? .........Since when did a statin cover you to eat crap?

I envy the people who can sit on the conveyor belt and pop the Statins, BP, NSAIDS, Beta Blockers pills with little to no side effects. I've tried it and cried on it "one size does not fit all". IMHO, I have every respect for our Doctor's, Nurses and Consultants, it's just a shame that their sentiments towards Vitamin supplements have been dulled due to insufficient clinical research vs Pharmaceutical products.

Unable to comment on the whole of Europe (I take my supply with me). You can purchase vitamins in the supermarkets / chemist shops, would not like to vouch for their quality and additives. I find it strange that you have a good product like Solgar.co.uk, site owned by Boots herbalist, I assume this is another branch of Boots chemist, yet I have not see it in the their shops!?! You can not get all vitamins on prescription, perhaps these will be cut due to cut backs in the future, who knows?
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Post Number:#6  Post by BaronZemo » Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:40 pm

really can not complain about our UK NHS and hospitals, did not mean for our national treasure


I am sure it is light years ahead of the wretched US health system. americans have been thoroughly brainwashed on the evils of a government backed health system, they would rather continue to get an overpriced ineffectual healthcare.. The way some of the people responded to the possibility that we would get a government backed healthcare system in complete hysteria was a cross between comical and embarrassing. The NHS under the worst conditions is better than the Us system under any conditions.

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Post Number:#7  Post by w6nrw » Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:03 pm

Hey BZemo, are you familiar with the quality of American government people?
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Post Number:#8  Post by freeform » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:19 am

I appreciate health care is a political hot spot in the US of A and by no means want to wind anyone up over it. For an outsider looking in, how does your health system work? are there various grades of insurance cover? mandatory deductions from your wage packets? How much of a strain do these insurance policies put on the average American household? If a person does not have any insurance there has to be some sort of medical cover available for them, surely? or, if they need emergency medical attention, ambulance --> hospital --->Treatment does this then result in the patient having to file for Chapter 13?
Now guessing that medication is a financial crippler, do the insurance policies cover costs and alternative treatment if required? what happens if you can’t afford it?

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Post Number:#9  Post by BaronZemo » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:19 pm

I appreciate health care is a political hot spot in the US of A and by no means want to wind anyone up over it.

well it shouldn't be, the evidence that anything is better has been proven time and again. it's amazing that countries with far less resources than ours offer far better insururance policies


For an outsider looking in, how does your health system work?


typically, it is provided by most, but not all employers, and they can provide whatever level of policy they want, and take out of your check whatever they want. The other option is if you are self employed, if you are in perfect health, they will offer you the chance to purchase it, and the rates can can go up every year dependent on the age/health of the group you are in. So if you get a low ball rate one year, within two years it will go up because the group is is less healthy. so you go to another company, and start over..that is if you don't have any preexisting conditions. so what happens is that you get two groups, one that is healthy and one that is sickly/old and pays super high rates, this only applies for self employed. if you are employed, than the rates go up for your employer who either/or passes the higher group rates onto you or increases the price of the products they offer tto make up the difference or cuts the benefits.


are there various grades of insurance cover?


yes there are many, you can chose from if self employed, usually two at most if employed.

mandatory deductions from your wage packets?


Yes, depends on employer..some government workers have nothing taken out as well as union workers

How much of a strain do these insurance policies put on the average American household?


It depends ….how much you are paid and what the employer will pick up…most employers now have big deductibles. .dependent on many factors



If a person does not have any insurance there has to be some sort of medical cover available for them, surely?


HA nope! If you are destitute and you show up to a hospital, they have to take you by law…you have to pay for a individual plan which is expensive depending on your finances



or, if they need emergency medical attention, ambulance --> hospital --->Treatment does this then result in the patient having to file for Chapter 13?


Yes, the vast majority of personal bankruptcies are caused by medical bills in us


Now guessing that medication is a financial crippler, do the insurance policies cover costs and alternative treatment if required?


No, however most plans have so -so drug coverage. I went t a acupuncturist recently who had lower rates, but alternative is rarely covered by mainstream plans



what happens if you can’t afford it?


You can’t afford it

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Post Number:#10  Post by w6nrw » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:27 pm

Prior to WW2, in the U.S., companies/corps did not offer health insurance at all and few of us
even thought of buying health insurance (targeted socialism). The way it worked --and,
in my view, it worked very well-- we bought care the same way we buy groceries.

Of course when a populace becomes weak, socialistic properties become attractive.
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Post Number:#11  Post by Lemonaid » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:59 pm

If everyone had to pay out of pocket for healthcare prices would take nose dives like they have in many cosmetic procedures and laser eye surgery.

As long as it's "Other People's Money" rates will continue to go parabolic.

The other western nations can afford universal healthcare (somewhat... they are going broke too!) because they don't spend more on their military than just about the entire rest of the world combined. We protect them so they can lavish their people with "free healthcare".

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Post Number:#12  Post by freeform » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:16 pm

BaronZemo, thank you for taking the time out to explain, I honestly thought there was some plan in place to ensure the vulnerable and destitute were covered for the basics......... that is a real eye opener.

well it shouldn't be, the evidence that anything is better has been proven time and again. it's amazing that countries with far less resources than ours offer far better insururance policies


The grass is not greener on other side. There have been many cases here where people have purchased medical insurance, only to be denied payout due to a small technicality, the person forgot to declare on the questionnaire they farted pink fumes back in 69? IMHO, Insurance companies reside in septic tanks the world over. Doubt whether they would want hear of Linus Pauling’s theory and the good people working to effect change, that’s a threat to revenue.


Lemonaid wrote:
The other western nations can afford universal healthcare (somewhat... they are going broke too!) because they don't spend more on their military than just about the entire rest of the world combined. We protect them so they can lavish their people with "free healthcare".


From what I've read, China owns in the region $1.16 trillion of U.S. debt. This is just one lender. The UK is hocked up to it’s eye’s in debt too and we are going to help bail out other European Countries, keep the war's flowing, lend to Pakistan? What with one may ask?
I view it as a Monopoly game, the real super powers lend to the likes of our countries, providing us with the opportunity to participate on the game board ( we should be sitting in debtors prison with no get out of jail cards). The illusion, or jesters paradise is that we come across as important players donating aid, protecting raw commodities which in turn keeps the political doors of communication open for us.
It would be nice to think that the UK Tax payers pay for the NHS to keep it buoyant. Alas, due to the amount of debt your statement is partially correct, I think it is elsewhere the funding comes from though.

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Post Number:#13  Post by BaronZemo » Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:34 am

freeform wrote:BaronZemo, thank you for taking the time out to explain, I honestly thought there was some plan in place to ensure the vulnerable and destitute were covered for the basics......... that is a real eye opener.

well it shouldn't be, the evidence that anything is better has been proven time and again. it's amazing that countries with far less resources than ours offer far better insururance policies


The grass is not greener on other side. There have been many cases here where people have purchased medical insurance, only to be denied payout due to a small technicality, the person forgot to declare on the questionnaire they farted pink fumes back in 69? IMHO, Insurance companies reside in septic tanks the world over. Doubt whether they would want hear of Linus Pauling’s theory and the good people working to effect change, that’s a threat to revenue
.


yes, but that is supplemental insurance, that happens here as well . I rememeber a women who lost her her job and for some reason lost her health insurance and jumped off a highway overpass into traffic because she was diagnosed with cancer. I can't see people who have suffered the brunt of a poorly administered health system opposed to a universal plan, unless of course they like mental angusih :mrgreen:

as far as the us going back to a time when people had no health insurance, then we might as well get rid of property insurance and car insurance as well, and for good measure, take away women's voting rights, native american gambling revenues and reinstitute slavery :evil:

To think this would be hypocritical, pharmaceutical companies have high profit margins, without insurance, this would be construed as “antibusiness” since many people would not afford the cost of a drug.

As far as this being “socialist”, I assume everyone here pays income, property , sales taxes etc. That being the case, were all 40% socialist. :o

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Post Number:#14  Post by freeform » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:29 am

And all wanted to do was kindly inform any UK participants that they could possibly get some of their supplements on prescription......

One day, who knows - perhaps all the powers that be can learn and adopt other countries good working practices, for the common good of it's own citizens. Wouldn't that be a nice concept.


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