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Hypercholesterolemia - LDL doubled on Heart Tech
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:42 am
by ofonorow
Owen,
After 6 jars of Heart Technology (2 to 3 times daily) my cholesterol numbers DOUBLED (LDL is almost 300) and my Lp(a) went up from 20 to 22. These are the worst test results I've had in 14 years of regular testing. I had been using ProFibe which was wonderful at keeping the numbers almost reasonable. I stopped that when I went on the Vitamin C
From what you report - something was holding the cholesterol down. This is a very unusual report and we would appreciate more details. We do see elevations in the beginning - as cholesterol comes off the arterial wall, enters blood and is not expelled for some time.
It would also mean you need to find your vitamin C bowel tolerance and add more vitamin C to heart tech/A-9. Vitamin C is "weaker" at lowering cholesterol than a statin - meaning you need more, which will help all your cells. At the optimum level, vitamin C can control cholesterol, but you obviously need more, maybe a lot more vitamin C to equal whatever you were using before that "artificially" lowered your hypercholesterolemia. With that high cholesterol, I am surprised you don't have a home cholesterol meter - pricks your finger,now sold out of UK (Made in Taiwan)
Re: Hypercholesterolemia - LDL doubled on Heart Tech
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:54 pm
by Johnwen
Is he just worried about numbers or the condition of his heart? High numbers like his now, are a sign something needs healing and that's what the heart tech is all about healing the condition that is causing the high numbers. V-c is not a body destroying drug that gives good numbers and messes up the whole system in the process, It is a aid for the body to correct the damage that has been done over the years. Somepeople with fresh damage will see amazing results but the average person who has spent years developing damage will take maybe years to see recovery. As Owen said try for "bowel tolerance" to see how messed up things are, the higher the doseage required will let you know how bad they are and it'll take a while to heal. If he's worried about numbers there's lots of drugs that'll blast his liver into orbit but the numbers will be good!!!!
Re: Hypercholesterolemia - LDL doubled on Heart Tech
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:25 am
by majkinetor
Re: Hypercholesterolemia - LDL doubled on Heart Tech
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:39 am
by Johnwen
If you think raising your HDL or BETTER KNOWN AS
"GOOD CHOLESTEROL" Is going to help think again!!!
GEE I wonder why that is?? Maybe Cholesterol isn't really what causes heart disease???
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Displayarti ... mber11.xml
Re: Hypercholesterolemia - LDL doubled on Heart Tech
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:44 am
by randy0913
Re: Hypercholesterolemia - LDL doubled on Heart Tech
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:05 am
by ofonorow
My initial reaction.
The Ornish diet can work and the Pauling theory can still be correct because Ornish cuts out the trans fats that would lead to problems absorbing vitamin C. I believe less vitamin C would be necessary on such a diet, but I don't believe in very-low fat diets per se. Certainly low trans fat diets are great! It is interesting that you did well for 14 years on that diet!
That 100 Lp(a) number was probably computed or the units were nmol/l (not mg/dl) but the 20 Vap Lp(a) test score is still high.
How much vitamin C did you supplement over that 14 year period? The average daily intake?
In your case - combing grapefruit with a statin is prolematical - read the inserts of your statin drugs! The should say avoid grapefuit! Maybe the pectin isolate doesn't have the same effect on the P450 enzyme system?
So based on what you have reported, I would stay on the original diet that worked so well, and simply start by slowly increasing vitamin C to bowel tolerance. See if your body adjusts and you feel better with the elevated C intake. Find the right level, and it will over time lower/control your elevated cholesterol. If you then decide to add lysine, then a product like HT can be convenient and eliminate the fillers in pills.
If you decide to stay on the statins - make sure you are taking plenty of Coq10 - take with fats. It is not how much CoQ10 is taken - it is how much that is absorbed that counts, and fats/bile is required for CoQ10 absorption.