What is the cause of all the gas?

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What is the cause of all the gas?

Post Number:#1  Post by joiv » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:20 pm

What is causing all the gas? Maybe what I really wonder is: What does the ascorbate do that results in gas production?

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Re: What is the cause of all the gas?

Post Number:#2  Post by blueskymyne » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:46 am

joiv wrote:What is causing all the gas? Maybe what I really wonder is: What does the ascorbate do that results in gas production?


e=mc2 (barking spiders).

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Re: What is the cause of all the gas?

Post Number:#3  Post by Ralph Lotz » Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:03 am

water:

The Third Face of Vitamin C
Robert F. Cathcart, M.D.
Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, 7:4;197-200, 1993

I believe that the loose stools caused by excessive doses of ascorbic acid orally ingested is due to a resulting hypertonicity of ascorbate in the rectum. Water is attracted into the rectum by the increased osmotic pressure and results in a benign diarrhea. With toxic illnesses, the ascorbate is destroyed rapidly in the involved tissues resulting in a rapid absorption from the gut. Of the ascorbate, what does not reach the rectum, does not cause diarrhea. Intravenous sodium ascorbate does not cause diarrhea and, in fact, increases bowel tolerance to orally ingested ascorbic acid while the IV is running. With hypertonicity of the ascorbate both in the blood and in the rectum, the osmotic pressure of the ascorbate is more equal on both sides of the bowel wall so no diarrhea results. If the diarrhea was cause by other metabolic processes, diarrhea would be caused by intravenous ascorbate.

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Post Number:#4  Post by fitzgerald » Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:58 am

I had gas for a while a couple of years ago. I put it down to bacteria changing, in responce to what is anyones guess. It stopped after a couple of months.

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Post Number:#5  Post by joiv » Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:31 pm

fitzergald:
I've read something about Chlorella affecting bacterias in the gut. Chlorella can cause increased gas for a couple of months and then it will stop. I just thought maybe the same could apply for ascorbate.

Ralph Lotz:
How does water cause gas?

blueskymyne:
I don't understand your reply.

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How does the ascorbate affect bacterias in the gut?

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Post Number:#6  Post by joiv » Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:33 pm

Chlorella stimulates bacteria in the gut to proliferate.

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Post Number:#7  Post by zucic » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:42 pm

joiv wrote:What is causing all the gas?
Maybe what I really wonder is: What does the ascorbate do
that results in gas production?

I think that Dr. Cathcart somewhere wrote that Candida may ferment
ascorbate and cause all this gas. It is not a war crime to release this
gas in the bus or train, I think, because it is sort of inert. Of course, if you
combine it with steamed broccoli, boiled eggs and garlic, then you get
a large volume and rather nasty composition.

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Post Number:#8  Post by joiv » Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:56 am

Is it a temporary condition? (excessive gas production)

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Post Number:#9  Post by zucic » Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:10 am

joiv wrote:Is it a temporary condition? (excessive gas production)

Yes. Read this:
http://www.orthomed.com/unprimed.htm


And read this text [John T. A. Ely] about Candida, in case you are
taking Q10:
http://faculty.washington.edu/~ely/coenzq10abs.html#caution

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Post Number:#10  Post by Kathy » Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:40 am

Zucic, I'm just curious about this. The John T. A. Ely paragraph mentions at the end that taking antacids can increase the risk of oral candida spreading to the stomach. Does this also include brushing your teeth with an alkalizer like baking soda?

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Post Number:#11  Post by zucic » Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:53 am

Kathy wrote:The John T. A. Ely paragraph mentions at the end that taking
antacids can increase the risk of oral candida spreading to the stomach.
Does this also include brushing your teeth with an alkalizer like baking soda?

Don't know, but antacids are being swallowed and what follows teeth brushing
is not being swallowed I guess.

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Post Number:#12  Post by ofonorow » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:30 am

Kathy wrote:Zucic, I'm just curious about this. The John T. A. Ely paragraph mentions at the end that taking antacids can increase the risk of oral candida spreading to the stomach. Does this also include brushing your teeth with an alkalizer like baking soda?


What he means is that the Stomach Acid acts as a natural barrier separating the bacteria in the lower tract from entering the throat and lungs. And visa versa. When the stomach acid is neutralized, esp. by the "nuclear" proton pump inhibitors,e.g. Prilosec or Nexium, there is no longer a barrier to keep bacteria in the lower tract, and as he points out, the mouth, meaning bacteria/fungi can travel "south".

Many hospital infections/deaths can be traced to the common use of antacids in hospitals.
Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath

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Re: Risk

Post Number:#13  Post by zucic » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:25 am

ofonorow wrote:When the stomach acid is neutralized, esp.
by the "nuclear" proton pump inhibitors,e.g. Prilosec or Nexium,
there is no longer a barrier to keep bacteria in the lower tract,
and as he points out, the mouth, meaning bacteria/fungi can travel "south".

Nice explanation. And there on the "south", Candida may have a good
opportunity to dig into the putrified meat and other stuck garbage, which
stays too long in intestine.


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