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So what happens if you get past the point of bowel tolerance and continue to saturate your cells with a plentiful dose of vitamin c? Would this be a bad idea?

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Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:05 pm
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Post Re: Going past bowel tolerance
To find bowel tolerance you have to go past the point of saturation, otherwise you haven't reached it yet.

Then you can answer your question all too easily on the toilet yourself ;-)


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Post Re: Going past bowel tolerance
Right, bowel tolerance indicates the MOST your body can absorb, and we are all different.

If you do want to obtain more than your body can normally absorb in the digestive tract, the answer seems to be the liposomal form, e.g. Lypo-C from livonlabs.com

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Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:35 am
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NiacinVC wrote:
So what happens if you get past the point of bowel tolerance and continue to saturate your cells with a plentiful dose of vitamin c?


In 2009 I wrote about my experience with this here:
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9013&p=25671#p25671

and in 2011 here:
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9013&p=25975#p25975

NiacinVC wrote:
Would this be a bad idea?
It would depend on whether or not you wanted to get a case of diarrhea and clear out your bowels.

The following diagram may be instructive. Good luck.
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:54 pm
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I do not think that going past the bowel tolerance too often is good idea. You may induce dysbiosis that way. There is no research about so its a speculation. I asked Thomas Levy about it and he couldn't guarantee me that some level of it doesn't happen based on his clinical experience.

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Post Re: Going past bowel tolerance
bump....


where did you find the graph?

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Sorry folks for the delay. I guess I missed seeing "majkinetor's" question.

I found the graph from Owen's very own Vitamin C Foundation homepage (about eighty percent down this very long page):
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/

But there you will see Owen provides a link to where he himself found it:
http://www.perque.com/pdfs/TownsendLtr_JaffeJanuary09.pdf

and that is the January 2009 Townsend Letter_____________________Image


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Post Re: Going past bowel tolerance
ofonorow wrote:

If you do want to obtain more than your body can normally absorb in the digestive tract, the answer seems to be the liposomal form, e.g. Lypo-C from livonlabs.com


So you're saying that I could take all the lypo-c that I had in my fridge and never budge that gut tolerance???

Then what guide does anyone have as to the 'right' dosage...

Ditto for IV-C, does that not trigger gut tolerance?

And per Hickey, does that half-life amount (going into the urine) just stay the same (with lypo-c or IV-C) regardless of the disease? Or would there be some merit in finding the amount of C in urine... since I haven't yet seen any finger-pricking blood test for C-level in the blood, noticing that blood level doesn't indicate the amount being scarfed up by organs... yikes, what a tangle...

If gut tolerance is some measure of what the body needed, as Cathcart has suggested, then why don't lypo-c and IV-C show some impact of disease-need? Not to mention the half-life idea when you're piggy-backing c doses by some short time period........

And this gets even more frustratingly bewildering, when you're treating a pet (cat) who already has diarrhea from maybe hyperthyroidism... arrrgh.... and that's just the sound of face clasping with no remembrance of the needed icon... ttyl


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Hi Dec,

I have always found Cathcart's discovery of the Bowel Tolerance method of dosage determination to be an absolutely "magical" thing, because it allows a person to self-dose, i.e. with no need of a health practitioner and/or body fluid check whatsoever. And not only "self-dose," but even pro-actively "derail" any and all pending health maladies, i.e. at least in theory. However, at least initially, depending upon a person's overall GI tract health, they may not be able to [orally] ingest, i.e. absorb, an optimal amount of ascorbate [for whatever current health malady they are facing]. When that is the case, IV/C, and now [apparently] liposomal ascorbate, can be used [very effectively], because they cause no Bowel Tolerance reaction, i.e. thereby allowing a theoretically unlimited amount of ascorbate intake [and, at least in the case of IV/C, "absorption"]. I do not know if anyone has ever tried to ingest 20 to 40+ grams of liposomal ascorbate all at once, i.e. to see if there was/is a Bowel Tolerance reaction [or some other useful indicator(s) of "saturation"].

But, yes, you are correct, Dec, i.e. that always leaves a person "guessing" as to how much ascorbate is "optimal" at any particular moment! Without Bowel Tolerance, one is left with checking fluid levels, i.e. of ascorbate [and I am not sure if that would tell a person all they wanted to know], and/or symptom amelioration [not as precise, in the immediate/short run, but effective ultimately].

The only [practical] way to "untangle" it, Dec, as far as I can see, is to ingest a Bowel Tolerance dose of ascorbic acid every day of your life, i.e. and let Nature takes its course!

Just my viewpoint and "two cents worth," Dec, and I hope it helps [with your challenge of "untangling"].

David

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