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Dr Pieter Dahler, DDS, MD, ND (hon) PhD say
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ofonorow
Ascorbate Wizard
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8223 Location: Lisle, IL
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 Dr Pieter Dahler, DDS, MD, ND (hon) PhD say
Quote: it has come to my attention that synthetic vit c is worthless, being the "foundation" how can u continue you sell this junk after this kind off info, as follows:Quote: Dr Pieter Dahler, DDS, MD, ND (hon) PhD says:
Vitamin C is generally a misnomer as it is only ASCORBIC ACID. It is the government’s doing that this fallacy exists. A true and HONEST Vitamin C is a Complex of several nutrients: vit. P is the bioflavanoid such as Rutin and maintains blood vessel integrity, vit K is the clotting factor, vit J is the oxygen carrying capacity factor, several enzymes belong in this complex such as tyrosinase (also called the copper factor) and is the drenal gland factor. Rating taurosinase is a better measure of a true vit C supplement or food. Ascorbic Acid is an antioxidant. It is like the shell of an egg, the rest of the egg is missing. It’s artificial version has no therapeutic value. Get it from natural sources. Too much anti-oxidants is the cause of lack of oxygen, read that word again, and a lack of oxygen is a potential cancer cause, as the natural death of cells (apoptosis) is prevented in an oxygen deficient environment.
If you (or the good doctor) can find ANY science to support this, our Foundation would be VERY interested.
Many good people propagate this nonsense, forcing us to write several articles, e.g.
http://vitamincfoundation.org/NaturalC.htm
and we discuss this "issue" at our forum,
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=14
The information we provide is based on the 30-year research of Linus Pauling, which is based now on over 100,000 scientific papers, and on knowledge that threatens the economic basis of Big Pharma/Modern Medicine - leading to my own theories where and why this stuff gets planted.
This shows that even smart people can get fooled and not do their homework.
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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| Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:56 am |
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Dolev
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Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:01 am Posts: 758
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This is a constant "here we go again" subject.
Ascorbic acid was synthesized around 80 years ago and was used in countless studies and found helpful in an incredible number of health situations.
Vitamin C complex is just a philosophy with no research backing it.
_________________ Dolev
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| Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:36 am |
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Dolev
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Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:01 am Posts: 758
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Quote: Too much anti-oxidants is the cause of lack of oxygen, read that word again That's already funny.
_________________ Dolev
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| Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:39 am |
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Jacquie
Vitamin C Master
Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:10 pm Posts: 209 Location: Northeast Ohio
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Vitamin K is not a part of vitamin C. If these people are just going to make stuff up, they might as well say vitamin A is part of the vitamin C "complex", too. And vitamin D. And cholesterol. And arsenic. Jeez.
Animals make ascorbate in their livers, and that's what shows up in their blood. When human beings take one of several kinds of ascorbate (acid, sodium, calcium, etc.), ascorbate is what shows up in our blood. It was good enough for Pauling, and it's good enough for me.
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| Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:17 am |
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VanCanada
Vitamin C Expert
Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:37 am Posts: 615
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ofonorow wrote: The information we provide is based on the 30-year research of Linus Pauling, which is based now on over 100,000 scientific papers, and on knowledge that threatens the economic basis of Big Pharma/Modern Medicine - leading to my own theories where and why this stuff gets planted. Dr Pieter Dahler's information reminds me in part of the research work of Brian Peskin; Peskin claims cancer is primarily caused by low oxygen levels in the human body. Peskin claims this is supported by the scientific work of two time Nobel Prize Winner in Medicine Dr. Otto Warburg, M.D., Ph.D. The Hidden Story of Cancer by Brian Peskin http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/hiddenstoryofcancer.htmlAmazon page for Hidden Story of Cancerhttp://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Story-Cancer-Brian-Peskin/dp/B000MFMXC6I'm skeptical of all Dahler's points until we see a lot more research. On the cancer topic, Nick Gonzalez's work seems more convincing at this point. In a few years as more and more people follow different cancer treatment protocols maybe we'll have a better idea of whose work holds water and whose doesn't. 
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| Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:29 pm |
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Dolev
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Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:01 am Posts: 758
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Quote: Animals make ascorbate in their livers, and that's what shows up in their blood. Jacquie, that's a good point, and thanks for pointing it out. Animals that make vitamin C don't make bioflavanoids to go with it. Actually they don't make vitamin K either. This may cause a problem for those that are affected by the vitamin C complex complex. I'd like to hear their explanation for that. The gulanolactone oxidase gene doesn't make bioflavanoids with the ascorbate. Hmmm.........
_________________ Dolev
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| Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:59 pm |
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majkinetor
Vitamin C Expert
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:36 am Posts: 891
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Quote: I'm skeptical of all Dahler's proints until we see a lot more research There is nothing to be sceptical about - the doc is full of bs.
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| Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:17 pm |
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Dolev
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It's also a bell-ringer that this Pieter Dahler is listed as "Dr, DDS, MD (which is actually redundant for Dr) ND and PhD. What's he trying to prove? Oh yes, and does anyone know what "hon" means? Is that honorable? Such a long list of titles, yet he's never bothered to study up on what vitamin C is. I agree that after all these titles he should add BS.
_________________ Dolev
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| Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:41 am |
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Jacquie
Vitamin C Master
Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:10 pm Posts: 209 Location: Northeast Ohio
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Dolev wrote: The gulanolactone oxidase gene doesn't make bioflavanoids with the ascorbate. Exactly! Dolev wrote: Oh yes, and does anyone know what "hon" means? Is that honorable? Honorary, probably. majkinetor wrote: There is nothing to be sceptical about - the doc is full of bs. Dolev wrote: I agree that after all these titles he should add BS. Now that's funny. 
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| Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:21 am |
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majkinetor
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