Question about Saline and IV Vitamin C

Discussion of the methods, protocols and effects of intravenous vitamin C (versus oral or liposomal).

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Question about Saline and IV Vitamin C

Post Number:#1  Post by johnyascorbate » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:49 pm

Hi Owen,
I'm new to IV vitamin C and have recently started receiving infusions for extra immune support while dealing with Lyme. It came to my attention that the vitamin c (25 grams) I'm receiving is mixed with 500cc's of saline. I have read on this forum multiple times people saying saline is not recommended and sterile water is what is best. Aside from the concern of saline causing too high a sodium level mixed with ascorbate, are there any other problems that can arise from using this combination?
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Re: Question about Saline and IV Vitamin C

Post Number:#2  Post by ofonorow » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:55 am

What is the vitamin C they are using?

Ascorbic Acid - wrong

Buffered Ascorbic Acid - USP - (Bioniche)

Sodium Ascorbate

In any event 25 grams is a low IV dosage, so I don't think it would be a big deal. Dr. Levy says his experience is with purified water.

Regarding Lyme, I would personally be interested in your results from a liposomal protocol of 5 g (or 10 g) daily for a period of at least 10 days. The results that are being reported from Empirical's Quali-c liposomal are amazing.
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Re: Question about Saline and IV Vitamin C

Post Number:#3  Post by johnyascorbate » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:17 pm

Thanks for the reply. I am definitely going to order some of the liposomal C and give it a try. In regards to the IV, The doctor I go to is using the Mylan ascorbic acid from Mcguff. The dose is now 50 grams in 1,000 cc's saline, infused over a few hours. Is the use of ascorbic acid in this dose injurious in any way? Should I stop the treatment?

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Re: Question about Saline and IV Vitamin C

Post Number:#4  Post by ofonorow » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:57 am

Here is Dr. Levy's response to a question about using sterile water in the IVs.

Hello Owen,

For both stock solutions and the bag to be administered, I believe sterile water is the best way to go. Normal saline and lactated Ringer's are OK. D5W will work, but it is counterproductive to put glucose in the same bag with vitamin C and have them compete to get inside the cell.

I don't have a detailed procedure other than what we wrote on Dr. Cathcart's original protocol. http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/pdfs/civprep.pdf

If you never saw it, I have an extensive section in Death by Calcium entitled "The Guide to the Optimal Administration of Vitamin C" that could be of significant interest to you and the forum.

An FYI: after 10 years with the LivOn lypo C, I am just now realizing how incredibly beneficial it can be when pushed to very high doses. Specifically, for infections and chronic degenerative diseases such as cancer, taking 30 to 50 packets (30 to 50 grams) in divided doses orally in a day can have equal to greater impact than a 50 gram IV. Obviously the price and availability is much better for the patient as well. Don't know if this would apply to your liposome product or not.

Best regards,

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Re: Question about Saline and IV Vitamin C

Post Number:#5  Post by jameshan » Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:36 pm

I think it's no problem to take Vitamin C together with saline.

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Re: Question about Saline and IV Vitamin C

Post Number:#6  Post by ofonorow » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:43 am

The issue, as I understand it, is that the correct IV/C is sodium ascorbate. So a saline would be adding salt, and Dr. Levy agrees that it is probably okay, but not necessary.
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Re: Question about Saline and IV Vitamin C

Post Number:#7  Post by thomsen » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:22 am

Has Dr. Levy changed his opinion on liposomal vitamin C? As I recall, he used to say that ~5 grams of liposomal C could have an impact equal to or greater than a 50 gram IVC.

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Re: Question about Saline and IV Vitamin C

Post Number:#8  Post by Pianist » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:14 pm

thomsen wrote:Has Dr. Levy changed his opinion on liposomal vitamin C? As I recall, he used to say that ~5 grams of liposomal C could have an impact equal to or greater than a 50 gram IVC.


I also want to know that!

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Re: Question about Saline and IV Vitamin C

Post Number:#9  Post by ofonorow » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:34 am

As far as I know, Dr. Levy is sticking to his guns (perhaps limited to treating infection.) We have experienced the same thing. It would be nice to have funding to study this. One reason may be the much longer time the vitamin C inside liposomes remains in the blood stream (versus the 30 minute half-life of ordinary vitamin C powder) as Dr. Hickey's research has shown for liposomes.

Levy has reported success with Cancers, however, Drisko at the Univ. of Kansas says she investigated liposomal for cancers - without success, and Levy recommends all three forms of vitamin C, e.g. oral, IV/C and liposomal for serious issues.
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