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Post Re: lypo c disappointment
Ah, if you're basing it on an experimental result, cool. For a minute I thought you were basing it only on general microbiology theory.


Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:35 am
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Saw wrote:
Dr.Levy points out Lipo c is intracellular, while AA is extracellular and he recommends using AA along with your lipo.

Not exactly:
Dr. Levy (Primal Panacea pg. 130) wrote:
Liposome-encapsulated vitamin C has the convenience of an oral administration while offering a bioavailability technically superior even to C delivered by vein. In other words, an intravenous result delivered by mouth is now possible.

Dr. Levy (Primal Panacea pg. 133) wrote:
Once a month, or even once a week, take spaced doses of vitamin C powder dissolved in water until the onset of diarrhea. At this point a baseline dose can be determined, and the bowels will benefit from a healthy cleanse.
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When the baseline requirement is established, supplementation on subsequent days could include a combination of a liposomal formulation and sodium ascorbate powder or either type alone.

Saw wrote:
It seems to me that we are not even sure that the vitamin c from the liposomes is available in the blood stream.

Such as majkinetor has pointed out, plasma level comes from somewhere:
Hickey et alter (pg. 14 of Pharmacokinetics of oral vitamin C) wrote:
The similarity in the plasma response curves for liposomal vitamin C and the standard commercial formulation, shown in Figure 1 (5g doses), is interesting. There is a hint that the liposomal form has a slower onset to peak level and a broader profile. Liposomes are absorbed from the gut and into the liver, before being released into the blood stream. This response can be seen more clearly in the 20g dose, in Figure 2. It is apparent that sustained levels of plasma ascorbate, above the previously assumed maximum of 220 μM/L, are possible with oral intakes of liposomal vitamin C.

Certainly it is a n=2 (even n=1) experiment, but the phenomenon seems independent of individual factors, although speed and plasma level values will vary with each person. Liver release seems plausible and logical, since it did just that until something like 60 million years ago.

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Ah, if you're basing it on an experimental result, cool. For a minute I thought you were basing it only on general microbiology theory.

I am basing my observration on everything I know:

1. The study from Hickey
2. The case from New Zeland and so on
3. The microbiology - cells release ascorbate back to plasma and GLUT which transports dehydroascorbate is bidirectional transporter.
4. Its now knownthat glial cells release ascorbate for neuronal usage.

So, if something injects cells with lot of ascrobate, it will appear in plasma too.


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Yes I agree the Hickey study clearly shows liposomal c is in the blood, but as ascorbate or is it still incapsulated as a liposome.That is the question.

From Dr.Levy. This starts at about 4 Minutes into the video. http://www.ihealthtube.com/aspx/viewvideo.aspx?v=a11180cc1b1f3fff
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But even more importantly, the evidence is now showing that you just don’t get absorbed into the blood and release it into the blood.
It gets absorbed into the blood, and then in the same mechanism it gets absorbed into the blood, it will pass directly into the cell so that
you get it from taking something orally, you get an intracellular delivery.


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but as ascorbate or is it still incapsulated as a liposome.That is the question.

as ascorbate.


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as ascorbate.



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Hello Justin,

Thanks for your note.

When the lypo C is in the blood, before being taken up by any cells, it will still register as vitamin C on a blood level test of vitamin C, even though it is encapsulated in liposomes and not just present in the plasma by itself. So, equivalent amounts of liposome encapsulated vitamin C have superior absorption into the plasma, and from there, they have superior take-up inside cells. Some of the C is directly released into the cytoplasm, and some of the liposomes are still intact inside the cytoplasm, at least for a while.

Hope this clarifies things,

Dr. Levy


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