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Post Best dose/form depends on genetic phenotype-Nick Gonzalez MD
Nicholas J. Gonzalez, MD (from his interview on the Deborah Ray show) wrote:

...And what Kelley realized is that there are different types of people who need different types of diets. You know in terms of our past, you know the Eskimos, for example, lived up in the Artic Circle where there IS no growing season, there are no fruits and vegetables and nuts and seeds and grains, and all they lived on was fatty red meat.

...And there are other groups of people, of course, that are well adjusted to eating vegetarian diets, you know, in the tropical rainforests, and they lived on fruits and vegetables and grains, with limited animal protein. So actually humans come out of backgrounds where we have adapted to and really utilized a variety of different diets. And Kelley eventually developed TEN different diets that ranged from pure vegetarian nuts and seeds to diets where people were eating like Atkins patients - red meat three to four times a day. And we use those ten basic diets and ninety variations. It gets pretty complicated. And the problem people run into (who are interested in nutrition) is they'll read the Atkins book, and they may be genetic vegetarians and they go on the Atkins diet and not do well, [and that ended up with a lawsuit recently {against the Atkins people}] or you'll have people who are really genetic carnivores that read the newspapers and think that fat is awful and then they go on a vegetarian Ornish-type diet and get very SICK. And we've SEEN that. Every WEEK we get patients like that who've been on the wrong diet and who are interested in nutrition and well-meaning and read dozens of books and end up more confused and sick. What we try to do is sort that out and find out what diet each patient needs. And you have to be as specific with supplements.

...But there is some validity to the fact that supplements have to be used as specifically as diet. You know there are at least eight different forms of vitamin E, and then there are tocotrienols which work WITH vitamin E, and there are different versions of that. I mean the permutations and combinations get very complicated; and we find different patients really DO need different forms, different levels, different doses. We have patients that really don't do very well on large doses of vitamin E, who NEED small doses. And we have other patients that NEED large doses - being 400 to 800 units per day.

The same is true for vitamin C. For example, our meat eating patients really do terribly on large doses of vitamin C, whereas our vegetarian patients THRIVE on it. I mean they need seven or eight grams a day just to get out of bed. And you have all gradations in between. And even the forms are different. Meat eaters do well with the calcium salt of vitamin C but terribly with the magnesium salt. And the vegetarian patients do well with ascorbic acid, good old fashioned plain ascorbic acid. It gets to that level of specificity, where even the FORMS of the vitamins have to be used very specifically in different patients depending on their metabolism.

-From the 1st minute, 35th second mark to the 4th minute, 33rd second mark of an 8-minute audio clip. (I'll try to find the link for y'all.)


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Post Re: Best dose/form depends on genetic phenotype-Nick Gonzalez MD
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The same is true for vitamin C. For example, our meat eating patients really do terribly on large doses of vitamin C, whereas our vegetarian patients THRIVE on it


According to Kelley's theory, as I understand, the "meat eaters" have very fast metabolisms. This means that the vitamin C winds up in the rectum before it can be absorbed, and while I don't know what "do terribly" means, it is true that these people have very low bowel tolerances and cannot take much regular oral C.

p.s. Putting this all together, if Nick is correct, then perhaps people with very high bowel tolerances are, in general. "genetic vegetarians", while those with very low bowel tolerances are the "meat eaters." (This may be an easier way to determine the diet group than Kelley's long questionnaire.)

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