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Dear Mr. Fonorow,

I ordered the book 'Primal Panacea' looking for anything relating to neurotransmitters and also a problem I developed post-menopausal that has affected my ability to tolerate heat. In that I live in the Tropics-Boca Raton, Fl., not being able to take a walk, walk my dogs, etc. I have been searching far and wide for anything that 'Big Pharma' which I worked in for 22yrs. and anything the FDA has been involved in.

I just ordered from the Vitamin C Foundation one of the products hoping to balance out my body. I know most Vitamins are not bio-available and as I read Dr. Levy's book there were references to both Serotonin and cooling of the skin. I was only able to access the abstracts, but with the background I have I was able to pretty much keep up.

I am on Permanent Long Term Disability for what my Neuropsychiatrist describes as severe depression, anxiety disorder, extreme fatigue. My 'disease' for lack of a better word has also brought mild aphasia and dyslexia. She prescribes for me the following which will probably shock you: Xanax 1mg. QID, LA Ritalin 40mg. BID, Ritalin 20mg. QID, Prozac 20mg. BID and Restoril for sleep. I also take Prilosec for Acid Reflux from my GI doctor. I also take bio-identical gel troches for HRT- (P175/Triel1.7/Testo..45).

In my search for alternative medicine so I won't be supporting the pharma. business the rest of my life, I have begun taking Immutol-for the immune system made up of Beta 1,3/1,6 Norwegian Glucan, I also take a supplement called Ultra Vital Gold containing Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) 1000 IU, Astaxanthin (Zanthin) 4mg., Curcumin 500mg., Total Omega-3 (as Incromega) 1000mg., EPA 600mg., and DHA 400mg. I took the Immutol initially 6 caps a day, and now 2 a day. The Ultra Vital Gold I take 1 TID. My Multivit of choice, I
believe is a good one is called Ultra II made by Nature's Plus.

I am trying acupuncture and have become a patient of a Chinese physician licensed and Board Certified in Family Practice. On my first visit she took 7 vials of blood. I was severely dehydrated from not drinking enough water and had a B-12 deficiency. She encouraged me, since I have Medicare, to have blood drawn for a test that maps out my Nutritional needs. I haven't gotten the results from that yet.

Finally, I should mention in 2003, I had a dentist who I thought was a friend put 12 crowns in my front teeth. From then until 2011, those crowns broke 54 TIMES. He blamed it on me and in November of 2011 after a partial broke, asked me to never come back. After seeing three dental specialists, that dentist had done so much damage to my mouth, I need $60,000.00 worth of work to correct my mouth. I was on nutritional shakes for over 3 months until a legal case could be opened and I now have partials. Why didn't I leave
earlier?-Suffice it to say, there was a good reason. I mention this because I have always believed the mouth provides a perfect way for bacteria and mercury fillings to get into the system and cause a myriad of diseases.

Here are my questions, I'm not sure of the dosage I should take of the Lypo-spheric Vitamin C? I plan on taking 5 packets a day which according to the rep. I talked to will take me to a dosage comparable to an IV dosage. He recommended to take it until I experienced diarrhea as a way to measure what I take. I am dosing myself because no doctor I've seen has an answer or really cares. Any suggestions you can make would be greatly appreciated. I'm tired of being ill and not really believing its all due to my depression
which is genetic in my family.

Thank you for listening.

Best Regards, Sallie


How much ordinary vitamin C can you tolerate before diarrhea? (Vitamin C seems to be missing from your list?) I would try that tact, bowel tolerance vitamin C first, and then add the 1-5 Lypo-C on top, as Lypo-C generally does NOT cause diarrhea.

A thought - you should get some Lypo-GSH (glutathione) as it has had miraculous positive effects in too many cases to enumerate here.

Here is a starting Vitamin C protocol we provide to help people starting vitamin C determine their "bowel tolerance." Once we know that, we can respond better on a program for you.
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8026

One thing - the prilosec - pls. read WHY STOMACH ACID IS GOOD FOR YOU - by Jonathan Wright and Lane Lenard!!! Low stomach acid can cause blindness (and depression). Not only will low stomach acid (higher pH) hinder the absorption of B12 - but also of vitamin C.

I would predict that getting on "bowel tolerance" levels of vitamin C, (the dosage which would probably be quite high for you, xSee orthomed.com/titrate.htm) will make a world of difference in your health.

Question - among your symptoms, do they include finger/joint pain. Symptoms of gout/arthritis?

I am finding out that low cortisol (adrenal fatigue) can lead to many of the symptoms that you have listed.

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Prescribing a schedule 4 drug and schedule 2 drug baffles me. If you have anxiety why would you be prescribed a schedule 2 stimulant, Methylphenidate? Ritalin will just cause your anxiety to be worse.

Taking a benzo like xanax is good I suppose for panick attacks but its quick onset and short duration will just cause worse rebound anxiety. i have taken restoril as well for sleep but this should not be used for more than a few days because benzodiazepines are awful for sleep structure and you will quickly build tolerance. Also because restoril is a much longer acting benzo than xanax you will really have to take your time weening off & back into normal sleep. Sounds like your doctor is a typical psych doc and is playing russian roulette by prescribing you drugs with serious contradictions.

Why not try gabapentin for anxiety and trazodone for sleep? Both are non addicting nor are controlled substances. To me using a controlled substance should always be a last resort and never should you be mixing a benzo with a stimulant in my opinion.

ALSO I agree with Owen about adrenal fatigue. Ritalin is only going to cause your cortisol to go wild and will not only deplete your vitamins/minerals but also wreak havoc on your adrenal system. Plus your cocktail of legal speed and legal downers is going to take a toll on your neurotransmitters.


JUST a thought but if you have to take a controlled substance to sleep maybe you shouldnt be taking an extended release stimulant like ritalin LA..... I know I wouldnt sleep with all that trash destroying my dopamine receptors and causing fight or flight response in my body(ie reason your cortisol is tweaking)

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I agree with everything you have said. I received my Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C on Saturday. I also purchased the book recommended by Owen regarding Prilosec which I take for reflux. I stopped the Prilosec. I began the Vitamin C taking 4 packets daily for the last three days. I have, on my own, backed the Prozac down to one 20mg. QD instead of two. I have had very little anxiety, the C seemed to work so quickly, so I am slowly titrating myself down off the Xanax. I've had an increase in my energy level, so I have reduced my intake of that as well.

I am well aware I am being drugged to death and have been searching avidly for alternatives. I feel better and my current plan is to continue the high dose of C slowly backing down the other drugs. I see my doctor tomorrow who is responsible for me continuing my disability insurance. I will not be sharing any of this with her. I will take the scripts, fill them and put them away somewhere. I cannot deter from her regiman and still receive benefits.

As far as the Restoril goes, I seldom take it because it doesn't work for me anyway. My doctor disagrees, I acquiese and do what I know is best for me. I have previously mentioned the other products I am taking. In the end, I am the only one who really cares about my health. I will recover, but certainly not through the help of western medicine and 'big pharma.'

I am open to suggestions from anyone and will consider them as they come in. I have recently had bloodwork done. My hormones were perfect, therefore my neurotransmitters should have been within normal limits.

Thank you for accepting me into the forum.

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poisade1 wrote:
I agree with everything you have said. I received my Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C on Saturday. I also purchased the book recommended by Owen regarding Prilosec which I take for reflux. I stopped the Prilosec. I began the Vitamin C taking 4 packets daily for the last three days. I have, on my own, backed the Prozac down to one 20mg. QD instead of two. I have had very little anxiety, the C seemed to work so quickly, so I am slowly titrating myself down off the Xanax. I've had an increase in my energy level, so I have reduced my intake of that as well.

I am well aware I am being drugged to death and have been searching avidly for alternatives. I feel better and my current plan is to continue the high dose of C slowly backing down the other drugs. I see my doctor tomorrow who is responsible for me continuing my disability insurance. I will not be sharing any of this with her. I will take the scripts, fill them and put them away somewhere. I cannot deter from her regiman and still receive benefits.

As far as the Restoril goes, I seldom take it because it doesn't work for me anyway. My doctor disagrees, I acquiese and do what I know is best for me. I have previously mentioned the other products I am taking. In the end, I am the only one who really cares about my health. I will recover, but certainly not through the help of western medicine and 'big pharma.'

I am open to suggestions from anyone and will consider them as they come in. I have recently had bloodwork done. My hormones were perfect, therefore my neurotransmitters should have been within normal limits.

Thank you for accepting me into the forum.

Budtails


Thats awesome news! Ya I used to be on restoril to stay asleep and halcion to bring onset of sleep faster. I take ZERO prescription meds now(including no allergy meds thanks to mega dosing vc) B6, melatonin and instant release niacin do the trick and I dont feel groggy. I have touched on this topic in other threads but if you must take sleeping prescriptions I would go with xyrem or trazodone. I had bad anxiety at times and the benzodiazepines only made things much worse. Since doing Paulings regimine I no longer need any of that poison that big pharma is hooking us on with. I just wish I could get my brother to try Pauling. My brother unfortunately has severe depression and anxiety and his meds dont do much except when he tries to stop he gets even more depressed.

Having witnessed the pain of what my brother has gone through over the years I dont doubt that depression is clinical but EXERCISE, DIET, taking the right vitamins and finding belief in any higher power of your choosing along with a positive outlook WILL WORK. When I am down and depressed I immediately find somewhere to volunteer for others who are less fortunate and I am immediately brought into gratitude. You would be amazed how much doing a gratitude list when your really beating yourself up will help.

Welcome to the forum. Side note if you ever get the chance to get IM or IV vc go for it. I have never had IV vc but I swear IM vc is euphoric and energizing.

PS 100 is kind of pricey but if you can afford it, I definitely recommend this supplement for boosting cognitive functioning and keeping cortisol levels in check. Huperzine A is also pretty good for cognitive functioning although I haven't taken Huperzine A in some time.


SORRY FOR typos. OFF to bed

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Do you know where IM Vitamin C can be found?
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Do you know where IM Vitamin C can be found?
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Australia. :)

The method of preparation is discussed in the Cathcart video/article at http://vitamincfoundation.org/ivc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgi-7xPrCAg

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/ivc/civprep.pdf

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